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To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (21892)	5/22/1998 5:06:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Alex, we are in the process of militarizing our border with Mexico: search.washingtonpost.com And I believe the number of massacres by children this school year is six or eight. I will go find out and report back. Over 6,000 children have been found with guns at school in the last year, which is an astronomical number. Okay, this is from Michael Sphar's post of last night at Rambi: On Tuesday, a high school senior shot and killed a student in a school parking lot in Fayetteville, Tenn., three days before they were to graduate, apparently because they had argued about a girl, authorities said. On April 24, a 14-year-old boy opened fire at an eighth-grade graduation dance in Edinboro, Pa., killing a teacher and slightly wounding two students and another teacher. On March 24, an 11-year-old boy and his 13-year-old friend opened fire on classmates in Jonesboro, Ark. Four pupils and a teacher were killed and 10 people wounded. On Oct. 1, a 16-year-old student in Pearl, Miss., killed his mother, then went to school and shot nine students, authorities said. Two of them died. Significantly, it does not even include the shootings at Paducah, Kentucky a few months ago, so it is a very incomplete list. I will agree with you about getting rid of every gun in America. Shall we start a campaign? As I said recently at Rambi, our media is violent, but not as violent as the stuff Japanese children are exposed to. Children who are firmly attached to their parents can handle huge amounts of this stuff without becoming violent themselves. So I think that media violence is sort weak as a causative factor. But even if it was very important, how do we put the genie back in the bottle? If we outlawed all violence in the media this moment, we still have many millions of children who have been fully exposed. What do you do about them?

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (21892)	5/22/1998 10:50:00 PM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Alex: Think again. American society IS in the toilet -- and it's about to be flushed. Crips and Bloods, schoolkid mass murderers, criminal celebrities writing books and appearing on talk shows, these are the final signs of a complete philosophical and moral breakdown. They are the harbinger of our future if action is not taken soon. FT

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (21892)	5/23/1998 1:27:00 AM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

<<Gun ownership isn't the problem imho. Our failure as a society to show violent criminals that we possess and implement a ruthless determination to punish them is our great weakness as Americans. This is curable, and it has very little to do with citizen gun ownership. Alex, think again. Are you going to execute children for their crimes? Don't you think there is something going on in America besides a lack of effective punishment and strong enough messages being sent? We already imprison more of our population, percentage wise, than any civilized nation on earth. Don't you think that if sending this message stopped crime, it would be working by now? I have never said that what is going on with the children shooting up the place is ONLY because of the proliferation of guns in America. I think it is more complicated, and that the breakdown of the family, the sheer number of hours children watch tv and play violent video games (children in other western societies have a lower exposure to the same material), the low priority given to children and their needs here, and drugs are all mixed up as causative factors. But the fact is that if there were no readily available guns, these massacres could not happen, because guns are the one absolutely necessary component.