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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (20067)6/10/1998 7:39:00 AM
From: akidron  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 70976
 
Jacob.... abser ******* lutly... capacity (as I've been saying on the hour every hour) has to come out of this industry for it to improve... this will happen through consolidation and capitulation... neither has happened, so the stocks have further to fall... it's as ABC 123 as that... buy now and you are buying hope... buy later and you are buying capitulation... hint... capitulation is less expensive.



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (20067)6/10/1998 10:10:00 AM
From: Teri Skogerboe  Respond to of 70976
 
JS, well said... the only thing I would add is that denial (it can't be!!) is one of the first reactions. And we have witnessed a lot of that. (even been a part of it, but some of us came to grips with reality sooner than others... I guess that's normal too.)



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (20067)6/10/1998 1:32:00 PM
From: Proud_Infidel  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 70976
 
Wait a minute here.

Re:. I guarantee you that as long as INTC is hitting 52-week lows the equips will do poorly. How can you do well when your customers aren't?


Even with the recent troubles INTC is facing, it is still one of the most profitable companies in America. Lets keep some perspective. Additionally, would an armament maker want one side to have an inordinate amount of power if selling weapons in a war? Of course not. If INTC is forced to compete with AMD and the like this will only help cos. like AMAT in selling their "weapons". I am not saying look for a run in stock price anytime soon. But the groundwork is being laid for an excellent run come late '98/ealy '99 into ?????

BK



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (20067)6/10/1998 2:20:00 PM
From: Big Bucks  Respond to of 70976
 
Jacob,
A+ Very Good!

Bux



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (20067)6/10/1998 8:15:00 PM
From: Math Junkie  Respond to of 70976
 
Regarding protecting against margin calls for a 50% drop (your number 9), I worked out a formula for how much equity you would need to maintain in order to protect yourself against a given percentage price drop. In the following formula, all percentages are expressed as fractions - e.g., 50% is expressed as 0.5. The variables are as follows:

E1 is the equity percentage to start with
E2 is the equity percentage at which a margin call occurs
D is the percentage decline in stock value

The formula is

E1 = E2 + D x (1 - E2)

As an example, if your investment holdings are sufficiently diversified, E*Trade allows your equity to fall to 35% before you get a margin call. Using the formula above, you would need an initial equity percentage of 67.5% to protect against a possible 50% stock price decline.



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (20067)11/18/1998 4:52:00 PM
From: Jacob Snyder  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 70976
 
review of earnings report and bottom indicators:

(see post 20067 for 6/10/98 bottom indicator list)

1. semis have hit bottom and are heading up. The only sector I'm worried about is DRAM. I wish micron hadn't gotten those two sugar daddies to provide cash, though, because it means the overcapacity in the sector will continue through 1999. Still, overall, the semis (inventories, pricing power) look like it is past the bottom. Semi stocks (intc, mu are good proxies for the entire sector) certainly have been heading up. INTC bottomed in June, AMAT in October=4-month lag. In 1996, it was a 6-month lag.

2. We never did hit capitulation with the big semi-equips. Support seems directly proportional to market cap, so only the likes of cymi and asmlf got to capitulation.

3. BTB trending up. Hasn't happened. Since June, I've decided bookings are a better number to follow. And I just decided that net bookings are better than bookings. I think a lot of people were confused by the numbers in the last earnings report. The headlines shouted "new orders 684M, which beat expectations". Look closer. I pay attention to bookings, because it tells me what sales and earnings will be in two quarters. If 99M in previous orders got cancelled, that means 99M less in future business. How much of that 684M is "soft", and will get cancelled next quarter?

4. While we're on the subject of confusing numbers, how about those earnings? They motorolaed them, this last quarter. (To motorola: a verb, meaning: to beat earnings expectations, and post a small profit, by excluding huge charges. The charges are the result of management mistakes, incorrect forecasts, huge amounts of money spent on building capacity and getting ready to make products that, as it turned out, noone wanted to buy.) In a zero-visibility market like semi-equip, even the best managements will make mistakes every cycle, and have to make rapid (and costly) adjustments. This is not a one-time-only-special-never-to-be-repeated event. It's just a normal part of doing business in this industry, and should not have been excluded from reported earnings.

5. PSR, at 2.9 today, is in the middle of my fair-value range (2.0-3.5). The only reason the PSR is above 2.0, is that noone wants to repeat the mistakes of 1996. That is, noone wants the train (rocket, actually) to leave without them. So, by making sure they don't repeat old mistakes, they stumble into new and original mistakes. The market's mistake of 1998 is getting in too soon. I think, when the market realizes that we are at the bottom of a prolonged U-shaped downturn, not a short V-shaped 1996 downturn, that the momentum guessers will abandon the sector, and we'll re-visit the 20s.

6. My biggest concern, now, is the market risk, not the sector or company risk. If not for the market risk, I'd have taken my entire position between 9/1/98 (I issued a strong buy, see post 23713), and 10/23/98 (downgraded to hold, post 25664). The market sentiment today is exactly the same as in Feb.-July 1998. Everyone is saying "we've seen the bottom, from here on out it only gets better, there won't be any more nasty surprises". The market PE (trailing, of S&P 500) is 29 now. The previous peak in July 1998 was 30. The Fed will keep us out of recession, but that's all. Current market valuations assume the following:
a. earnings will go up 10% next year. Won't happen. Noone has pricing power, unemployment is at a level where wage increases will outpace productivity increases. Margins will continue to erode throughout 1999, as they have since late 1997.
b. the Japanese will really fix their banking mess. Maybe. Then again, maybe they will just keep making the same empty promises we've heard the last 8 years, throwing money at the problem without restructuring. AMAT's CEO said "Japan is the key". Everyone agreas asia can't recover if Japan doesn't lead.
c. Brazil won't collapse. Maybe, maybe not. They are looking at recession in 1999, and it remains to be seen if they have the fortitude to cut government budgets and defend the currency with interest rates of 50%.
d. no exogenous shocks. The market is priced for a perfect future. Another Gulf War (in any gulf) will chop a couple thousand points off the Dow.
e. emerging markets are allowed to continue exporting freely into the U.S. Won't happen. Protectionism will rear its ugly head as the trade deficit heads toward 300 billion in 1999. That is politically and economically unsustainable. When it does, but not before, the asian (and latin american, and russian) mess will truly hit bottom.

I really don't care how much higher the markets and the semi-equips go in the next few months, because I remain convinced it will all be given back. I made a big mistake, in selling into this rally (and buying puts) way too early. But, at current valuations, there is nothing to do but wait till the fundamentals reassert themselves. I reiterate my hold rating on AMAT.



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (20067)11/6/2001 4:43:15 PM
From: Tito L. Nisperos Jr.  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 70976
 
The bottom indicators you've cited have been done or at the process of being realized. We've witnessed AMAT declined for 18 months from 115 to 26.59 and I think that's enough. We are in the early stages of a Bull Market that will last for more than 18 months.

I've a new indicator to reinforce my thinking that we are going to have a Bull Market next year that the price of AMAT right now (saw it trading more than 40 after hours) is low compared to what it will be 18 months or maybe 2 years from now. What we are seeing now are people getting laid off. But my indicator says Foreign Temps (contract workers with 6 months to 2 years renewable contracts) are having a field day landing jobs around the world. Every time they increase in number in one year (like this year) we're going to see Bull Markets in most stock markets around the world the following year. That has been going on since 1995 when this Worldwide economy was in its early stages.... One side note is that Countries who accept a lot of Foreign Temps to help in their Economic development fare well in times of economic downturns worldwide. It may be because when those countries add workers including foreigners, more people earn more money, spend more money internally and in turn enable more businesses to grow and hire more workers ...