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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (17708)	7/28/1998 10:09:00 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20981

Michelle: What great things did Kennedy accomplish? Without meaning to be disrespectful, I suspect the affection he is remembered with is largely associated with his tragic demise. Eisenhower and Reagan were great Presidents. Carter while probably having the most integrity was a dismal failure in office. JMO JLA

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (17708)	7/28/1998 10:17:00 PM
From: Catfish	Respond to of 20981

The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour M. Hersh Reviews Amazon.com If the Kennedys are America's royal family, then John F. Kennedy was the nation's crown prince. Magnetic, handsome, and charismatic, his perfectly coifed image overshadowed the successes and failures of his presidency, and his assassination cemented his near-mythological status in American culture and politics. Struck down in his prime, he represented the best and the brightest of America's future, and when he died, part of the nation's promise and innocence went with him. That, at least, is the public version of the story. The private version, according to Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour M. Hersh, is quite different. His meticulous investigation of Kennedy has revealed a wealth of indiscretions and malfeasance, ranging from frequent liaisons with prostitutes and mistresses to the attempted assassination of Fidel Castro to involvement in organized crime. Though scandals in the White House are nothing new, Hersh maintains that Kennedy's activities went beyond minor abuses of power and personal indulgences: they threatened the security of the nation--particularly in the realm of foreign policy--and the integrity of the office. Hersh believes it was only a matter of time before Kennedy's dealings were exposed, and only his popularity and charm, compounded by his premature death, spared such an investigation for so long. Exposure was further stalled by Bobby Kennedy's involvement in nefarious dealings, enabling him to bury any investigation of his brother and--by extension--himself. Based on interviews with former Kennedy administration officials, former Secret Service agents, and hundreds of Kennedy's personal friends and associates, The Dark Side of Camelot rewrites the history of John F. Kennedy and his presidency. amazon.com

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (17708)	7/28/1998 10:27:00 PM
From: Catfish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20981

Michelle, You should read "Boy Clinton" by Emmett Tyrrell. It is eye opening for those who have not yet been initiated into the background of the Clintonistas. amazon.com

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (17708)	7/28/1998 11:02:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20981

Kennedy was the first president I voted for. Gives you a good idea of my age. He wasn't a great president technically, but he was a great leader. He inspired people for good things. He was tested in war (unlike Clinton) so he knew what war could and couldn't do, respected but didn't fear it. He could bring people together in ways Clinton is uncapable of understanding. Yes, he had women in the White House, but a) they were adults, b) they weren't under his supervision, c) he was discrete about it, d) he didn't lie about it under oath, and e) it was, so far as we know, normal sex, not blow jobs under the table (quite literally, it seems). But the more important thing is that Kennedy had principles, he led by belief not by poll results, he made demands on the people (when he said "ask not what your country can do for you..." we BELIEVED, damn it) rather than pandering to the people. One of his lasting legacies, the Peace Corps, gave young people something to believe in and a way to make a difference in the world. Basically, he was a leader and an inspirer, he got the best out of Americans and made us proud to be Americans but not arrogant about it. I don't know whether you take that to constitute a great president, but I take it to be the hallmark of a great leader. If had lived, I probably his warts would have begun to overcome his gifts, but he died in a way that preserved the good parts of his legacy. The only true leader we have had since, in the sense of inspiring the people on the basis of a commitment to principles, was Reagan, think what you will of his politics. Kennedy and Reagan, indeed an odd couple but the two best leaders I have seen inhabiting the White House, and both men who put Clinton to shame.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (17708)	7/29/1998 4:53:00 PM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20981

Carter? Are you a comedienne? His mental illness should have disqualified him. Incompetent and disastrous. >>and they LOVE Kennedy, think he was the best president we ever had They are nostalgic for their lost youth. Read some history. Kennedy brought us to the brink of nuclear war twice, embarrassed himself and the US so thoroughly in Vienna that the Soviets put up the Berlin War. He also put US troops in Vietnam. We now know that Kennedy was heavily drugged throughout his WH years and many suspect that caused his poor and eratic performance.