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To: jpmac who wrote (24482)	8/19/1998 11:22:00 PM
From: George S. Montgomery	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Is this the same jpmac who participated in an archy, the cockroach, and mehitabel, the cat, typewriter tableau many moons ago? If so, wow! I just got lashed by penni on attitudes about semantics. I had said semantics schmentantics! And she said, how other, how else, can we communicate - except by agreeing upon our terms.. (I pushed the kitty over to her, as she had won.) The point you make is flawless, about the status of various heros. A doughboy diving over a trench to blot out a machine gun emplacement is without doubt a hero. But not the hero penni was talking about. She's into this mythology gunk. And on her grounds, despite how perceptive your point may be, it just don't hunt. George

To: jpmac who wrote (24482)	8/20/1998 2:54:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Okay. Let's posit a hero, or a schmoe, who acts at the behest of another's judgment. It could be argued that this actor is displaying one of the highest virtues - loyalty. Maybe deliberate, maybe instinctive (as in the case of the soldier and the grenade). I remember a lousy movie from a few years ago. Pittsburgh river cop thing with Bruce Willis. "Boiling Point"? The one thing I remember was the lead character's credo, which was "Loyalty above all - except honor." I've meditated on this for years, and I can find no fault with it. Loyalty is the glue of society. But it can be subverted by a charismatic leader or cause. This was made breathtakingly clear in the Third Reich. the SS daggers' inscription read "Unsere Ehre heisst Treue", which transliterates approximately as "Our honor is called loyalty". Loyalty is a very high virtue, but it is a poor ethical master. Now we can embark on a spirited debate of what constitutes honor.