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Politics : Clinton's Scandals: Is this corruption the worst ever? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Doughboy who wrote (3431)8/30/1998 11:48:00 PM
From: Hippieslayer  Respond to of 13994
 
From my understanding, it's illegal to tape another person in Maryland if "they" are in maryland. Fact is that Monica was in DC and not Maryland.

Regardless, Linda was able to expose the clinton machine. It amazes me that you would be so concerned about her taping yet unflinching when it comes to apparent crimes committed by the president. I would say that you have your priorities screwed up when it comes to what is more important.



To: Doughboy who wrote (3431)8/31/1998 1:10:00 AM
From: pz  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13994
 
<<<Linda Tripp is TOAST! And I'm pleased as punch because this is the
beginning of the assault on Ken Starr's morally bankrupt investigation, one leg at a time.>>>

Doughboy...please check out Starr's credentials.

pioneerplanet.com

spotless to say the least. Think you are barking up the wrong tree. Clinton is the morally bankrupt person in this affair.

PZ



To: Doughboy who wrote (3431)8/31/1998 1:46:00 AM
From: alan w  Respond to of 13994
 
Just remember, she was taping a conversation about sex. This makes it, by the Klintonista definition, nobodys business. Therefore, she can't be prosecuted. Lying about sex, or sex talk taping, same thing. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it, but you set the precedent. With all this new interpretation of law, I'm not really sure anyone can commit a crime any more. I'm not sure crime is against the law any more.

alan w



To: Doughboy who wrote (3431)8/31/1998 7:56:00 AM
From: cody andre  Respond to of 13994
 
Also, "sources" say Linda Tripp used smuggled Chinese-made tapes to record the memoirs about the two Oval Office operators.



To: Doughboy who wrote (3431)8/31/1998 8:43:00 AM
From: DMaA  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13994
 
Nothing much happened to the McDermets(sp?) so I wouldn't be too worried about her.



To: Doughboy who wrote (3431)8/31/1998 9:29:00 AM
From: Les H  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13994
 
You need to do your homework. Tripp and Goldberg do not have lawsuits against Clinton. Starr's wiretap was legal. Tripp's wiretap may not have been legal. It's questionable whether Tripp's wiretap was unethical since Monica Lewinsky was trying to get her to break the law --- if you don't recall, there were threats made against Tripp by Clinton's lawyers and his supporters regarding her civil service career. The scumbags are truly Clinton and his supporters.



To: Doughboy who wrote (3431)8/31/1998 9:45:00 AM
From: Zoltan!  Respond to of 13994
 
>>Linda Tripp is TOAST!

Not even close. But Clinton is pulling the Corruptocrats down with him. And it's going to get far far better. So rejoice!

Potomac Watch
The Vineyard Looks
Better All the Time


By PAUL A. GIGOT

In the levitation act that is the Clinton Presidency, this is the month the
magic ceased to work. You now get the feeling the crash could come at
any time.

For most of the last three years, support for this president has rested on
three pillars: Blind loyalty among fellow Democrats, a Justice Department
willing to stonewall, and a placid world of prosperity that has put
Americans in a buoyant mood.

Now all of those props are teetering at the same
time. On present trends, the president may want to
consider buying that estate he's now renting on
Martha's Vineyard.

His most immediate peril is the looming revolt
among Democrats. There's no more cautious
politician in America than House minority leader
Dick Gephardt. So when even he declares Mr.
Clinton's behavior "reprehensible," and takes an
agnostic view of impeachment, it's a sure sign the
troops are traumatized. His remarks position
Congressional Democrats to flee if Kenneth Starr's
report is as awful as they fear.

Democrats are furious that Mr. Clinton has broken his side of their political
bargain. They agreed to defend his ethics if he'd behave and help them
take back Congress. But he didn't behave and, for the first time in
memory, his political conjuring failed in his speech last week.

This is a nightmare for Democrats who only weeks ago imagined they
could retake the House from a fractured GOP. Mr. Gephardt personally
lobbied several veterans to run for one more term. Conjurer Clinton was
supposed to give them the issues--tobacco, health care--to nationalize the
election. But none of those subjects can get a hearing because Mr. Clinton
has made his own behavior the largest national issue.

Though it's too early to detect a tsunami against Democrats, they have
reason to be scared. Texas Rep. Martin Frost is the Democrat in charge
of the campaign to take back the House. But a new GOP poll shows he
could lose his own seat. He's ahead of his little known challenger by 8% at
just 43% support, anemic in this incumbent year.

In Michigan, venerable Sander Levin is suddenly vulnerable. And in
Indiana, Democrat Baron Hill now finds himself down 10 points to his
opponent in a battle to hold Democrat Lee Hamilton's seat, according to
another GOP poll. Mr. Hill isn't inviting Mr. Clinton for a visit any time
soon.

The Senate could turn into a genuine debacle. Republicans have a strong
chance to pick up at least six current Democratic seats, while just three of
theirs are now in play. If the autumn debate is mainly about Bill Clinton's
behavior, the first filibuster-proof GOP Senate this century becomes
possible. No wonder Mr. Clinton can't seem to find many allies to the right
of Barney Frank.

Things could only get worse if voters begin to connect Mr. Clinton's
character to new troubles around the world. That was the implicit message
of Scott Ritter, the Marine-turned-U.N. inspector who resigned his post in
disgust this week. Mr. Ritter, a Gulf War veteran, all but said our president
lacks the starch to stand up to Saddam Hussein. So his administration
chose to surreptitiously delay or block intrusive U.N. inspections in Iraq
that Mr. Clinton threatened to go to war over just months ago.

Many Americans have been like Democrats in assuming Mr. Clinton's
character could be separated from his performance. But what if his flawed
character has produced such a total lack of moral authority that it
undermines performance?

That seems to be happening in Iraq, as well as in the global financial crisis
that Team Clinton has been helpless to stop. Japan keeps rejecting
America's policy advice, even after the U.S. Treasury tried to prop up the
yen. Russia pocketed $22 billion from the IMF but hasn't moved a policy
inch. Maybe the U.S. can't exert the moral leadership needed to cajole
nations into making hard decisions if those nations don't think the U.S. has
moral leaders.

These failures are finally rippling through American prosperity. The stock
market's long party seems to be ending, while the Farm Belt suffers from
low global prices. Even if the U.S. escapes the worst, the air of American
impregnability that has so buoyed Mr. Clinton's public approval is gone.

The last teetering Clinton prop is a Justice Department that has bottled up
the campaign scandals of 1996. But even Janet Reno seems to be buckling
under the political weight of editorial and Republican pressure. Her 90-day
probe of Al Gore's honesty about his fund-raising calls is best understood
as a way to buy time.

But she faces the certain contempt of the entire U.S. House if she doesn't
name an independent counsel for the overall scandal. And with Mr.
Clinton so weakened, even Senate Republicans may decide to behave like
an opposition and force Ms. Reno's hand. This is the probe Democrats
really fear, because it threatens Mr. Gore and might bedevil their party
through 2000.

All of this proves the folly of those who thought the Lewinsky case could
be dismissed as mere "private" behavior. Reckless sex is proving to have
the most public imaginable consequences, for the presidency and the
country. We are all going to pay for our national delusion that Bill Clinton's
character didn't matter.
interactive.wsj.com



To: Doughboy who wrote (3431)8/31/1998 9:50:00 AM
From: Zoltan!  Respond to of 13994
 
Starr bolstered as his support quadruples and Clinton crumbles. Imagine what will happen when the public learns about the other 95% of Clinton's crimes. Enjoy!

August 31, 1998

Starr's Mission--II

Further reflection and soundings in the legal community
suggest an answer to the puzzle raised here last week: why anyone in
Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's office would dream of separating the
Lewinsky affair from the rest of the mess under his jurisdiction, especially
given how the unifying theme is obstruction of justice. To wit, impeaching a
President is one thing, indicting the possible criminals around him quite
another.

Mr. Starr's legal mandate covers criminal violations
including "any obstruction of the due administration
of justice, or any material false testimony or
statement in violation of federal criminal law."
Before the Lewinsky revelations started serious talk
of impeachment, he had convicted 14 criminals,
including the former Governor of Arkansas and a
former Justice Department associate attorney
general; and he'd also sparked a more general
cleanup of Arkansas corruption being successfully
pursued by other prosecutors. This was before he
took formal leave from his law firm, an action that
does not suggest plans to dump the matter into
Congress's lap and go home.

Mr. Starr's original mandate covered possible violations of federal criminal
law involving Madison Guaranty S&L and the Whitewater Development
Co. Subsequently, the three-judge Special Division of the U.S. Court of
Appeals and the Attorney General expanded this writ to crimes connected
to the Travel Office firings, the apparent misuse of FBI files affair, the death
of Vincent Foster and, finally, the Lewinsky matter.

In each of these cases, the issue of obstruction
of justice rears its ugly head. This is the
Ockham's Razor explanation for the $700,000
in fees to Webster Hubbell, the long, hard silence of Susan McDougal, the
firing of Resolution Trust Corp. investigator Jean Lewis, the disposition of
gifts to Monica Lewinsky and the lawyerly evasions the Clintons employed
in their sworn statements. Even in the Foster matter, Mr. Starr's report of a
suicide at Fort Marcy Park explicitly noted that investigations of the
subsequent handling of materials in his office "have not been concluded."

Obstruction, of course, was count one in the bill of impeachment against
Richard Nixon approved by the Judiciary Committee in the Watergate
scandal. In the legal arena, Mr. Nixon was named as an "unindicted
co-conspirator," while a large number of his subordinates and associations
were indicted, ultimately leading to many convictions and jail terms. Nixon
tough guy Chuck Colson, who went on to redeem himself with continuing
service in the prison ministry, went to jail for mishandling one FBI file.

Former bar bouncer Craig Livingstone mishandled hundreds of personnel
records while in the Clinton White House, but no indictments have been
brought in the Filegate matter. The conventional wisdom, still following the
White House spin, is that everything in Mr. Starr's ongoing writ has come
up a "dry hole," and that he seized on the Lewinsky affair the way the FBI
grabbed Al Capone's income tax violations. In fact, Mr. Starr's investigation
has been slowed by White House stonewalling--the litigation of jurisdiction
issues through the courts, the constant appeals, the endless and often
frivolous privilege claims, the distracting attacks on the independent counsel,
etc. Though the courts finally ruled against all privileges, back problems
further delayed grand jury testimony from aide Bruce Lindsey, who is to
Mr. Clinton what the ultimately jailed Bob Haldeman was to Mr. Nixon.
Mr. Lindsey made his first lengthy appearance before grand jury Friday.

We are now fast upon Labor Day in an election year. This is relevant,
because Justice Department guidelines preclude the indictment of political
figures during an election. Unlike the still-garrulous Lawrence Walsh, who
indicted Caspar Weinberger four days before the 1992 Presidential
election, Mr. Starr has pledged to follow this guideline. And there remains
an honest dispute about whether a President can be indicted. Indisputably, a
President's aides can be, but, as a practical matter, probably not until
November at the earliest. Meanwhile, the Justice Department has had no
experience on which to base guidelines when an independent counsel should
forward evidence of impeachable offenses to the House, which Mr. Starr's
mandate also requires him to do.

Looming over all of this is the huge legal/political issue of whether
Presidential immunity to indictment applies by extension to a First Lady.
After all, Hillary Clinton's subpoenaed billing records turned up in a White
House family study, and there is reason to suspect she was deeply involved
in both the Travel Office and FBI Files matters. Also, relevant litigation even
now proceeds. The independent counsel is appealing a judge's decision to
throw out his tax fraud case against Webster Hubbell. Susan McDougal,
currently on trial on unrelated charges in California, also faces a Starr
obstruction case in Arkansas. In short, Mr. Starr has a huge agenda of
decisions involving Mr. Clinton's associates, an agenda related to
impeachment issues but governed by different constraints and timetables.

The Lewinsky revelations badly damaged the President's political support;
the President's confession and bitter attack vaulted Mr. Starr's poll ratings
out of the basement and into the 40%-plus range. But it has vastly
complicated Mr. Starr's timetable. With the President now having admitted
he lied, evidence of a presidentially centered coverup is palpable. Mr. Starr
has been under enormous pressure to send something up fast. But
Congress, faced with the real possibility of an impeachment inquiry, is
starting to sober up. No one on the Hill is talking about quick action on a
Starr report.

As longtime critics of the Clinton morality and administration of justice, we
are as anxious as anyone to see the details of Mr. Starr's investigation. But
we warned against splitting the Lewinsky investigation from other possible
obstructions precisely because a full accounting is needed. The timing
dilemma is clear, and we suggest that Mr. Starr might use his new-found
public credibility to explain that he is best situated to find a sound
resolution--including applying the Justice guidelines uniformly, and holding
the impeachment report until he decides what criminal cases may be
justified.
interactive.wsj.com



To: Doughboy who wrote (3431)9/1/1998 7:40:00 AM
From: Zoltan!  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13994
 
You lose.

Linda Tripp model

Ron Trumbla, a spokesman for Radio Shack's parent
company, the Tandy Corp., issued a statement the other day
saying that Linda Tripp was warned when she purchased a
tape recorder from one of the stores that it was against
Maryland law to secretly record conversations within the state.
"It is Radio Shack's policy to inform customers who
purchase recording devices that it is illegal to record someone
without their consent in the state of Maryland," Mr. Trumbla
said.
Which comes as a big surprise to one of our readers named
"Steve," who it so happens purchased one of the nifty tape
recorders late last week at a Radio Shack in Frederick, Md.
"They didn't inform me of anything," says Steve, referring to
the Radio Shack "policy."
"And I even asked for the Linda Tripp model!" he says.

washtimes.com



To: Doughboy who wrote (3431)9/4/1998 9:41:00 AM
From: Zoltan!  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 13994
 
>> Linda Tripp is TOAST!

As noted before, Maryland has no jurisdiction over Tripp, since her tapes involved interstate calls:

Not a legal shack

News reports have given the impression that taping
telephone calls in Maryland is legal only if all parties consent;
and therefore, Linda R. Tripp broke the law when she
recorded her telephone conversations with Monica Lewinsky.
That apparently is not the case, however.
"Yes, Linda Tripp was recording calls while in her
Maryland home; and yes, Maryland law requires all-party
consent," James A. Ross, head of the Ross Group, a privacy
and security outfit based in Washington, told us earlier this
summer.
"However, the calls were not made within the state of
Maryland," he said. "They were interstate calls made between
Washington, D.C., and Maryland, and therefore the federal
law applies, not state law. And federal law allows taping when
one party consents."
In other words, said Mr. Ross, Mrs. Tripp recorded legally.
In two columns this week, we've been examining whether
Mrs. Tripp was properly warned when she purchased her
phone recorder from Radio Shack -- as is Tandy Corp. policy
-- that taping calls within Maryland without consent of all
parties is illegal. In doing so, whose name should surface again,
but Mr. Ross.
No stranger to state and federal courts as an expert witness
in criminal cases involving the same laws now in question in the
Tripp-Lewinsky recordings, Mr. Ross actually testified on
behalf of Tandy, Radio Shack's parent company.
"About 20 years ago, Tandy was sued for $6 million in
federal court in Columbia, S.C. for 'aiding and abetting in the
commission of a felony' by selling a telephone recording control
(PN 43-236) to a fellow who used it to record his wife's calls
to her boyfriend (or something like that)," Mr. Ross told us
Thursday.
"I was chosen by Tandy to be their expert witness," he said.
"That case was the start of an effort by Tandy to cause its
Radio Shack store people to be aware of the law," Mr. Ross
added, however as he put it:
"Gosh, oh golly, gee whiz, you can't expect store clerks to
know the electronics, know the law, know what a customer
plans to do; and advise customers on such"
washtimes.com