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To: mrknowitall who wrote (65113)	9/11/1998 3:46:00 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 176387

OT Your logic connecting Eisenhower has a flaw. In terms of national security,.... One can never find an exact parallel. My point was that we expect Presidents to lie so long as they feel it is in the national interest, and I'm sure Clinton felt that the decorum of the office was in the national interest - even if self-serving. It was a little white lie- to protect his family, his office, himself. It should have been left to the historians to write about. TP

To: mrknowitall who wrote (65113)	9/11/1998 3:50:00 PM
From: Chuzzlewit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 176387

OT Well, try these on for size: 1. Lyndon Johnson's big lie: The entire Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was based on lies designed to enlarge our involvement in Viet Nam: result -- hundreds of thousand of lives lost; 2. Nixon, lying about the bombings of Haiphong and Hanoi; 3. Nixon, lying about US incursions into Cambodia; 4. Reagan/Bush lying about Iran Contra. I don't recall any major lies coming from Ford or Carter, but I could be wrong. The common thread in the lies that I listed above is that they had serious constitutional implications, and each of them cost American lives (not to mention the lives of people in other countries). On a domestic front, do you recall Bob Dole standing there during the presidential elections claiming that there was no evidence linking cigarette smoking to cancer (while having the tobacco lobby as one of his major campaign contributors?). Finally, your comment about Ike lying to protect US security doesn't hack it. Certainly the Soviets knew about the U-2 flights. After all, they were the ones to shoot it down. It was the American people who did not know. Incidentally, Ike had a war time affair with Kay Sommersby. Do you think that that affair should have been subject to a congressional probe? Kennedy had affairs with Marilyn Monroe and some mafia prostitute while president -- should those affairs have been probed? If you answered yes to the mafia prostitute I would agree because of the potential problems with law enforcement. How about FDR? I could go on and on, but I think you get the point. TTFN, CTC