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To: Giraffe who wrote (18743)	9/13/1998 5:20:00 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116752

A coward, imho, is one who runs snivelling to Mommie/Jill/SI Bob. Over anything - absolutely anything. Period. Shame on you. Charters is neither an american nor your racist fantasy, and while he often has his foot in his mouth, he also has his tongue in his cheek - if you take him literally you miss his points. And points he has - on-topic Gold Price Monitor points #reply-5735766

To: Giraffe who wrote (18743)	9/13/1998 5:31:00 PM
From: Bill Jackson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

Giraffe, I expect you have heard of the man who said he would not help a man when the gestapo came for him? After the gestapo took all his neighbours, one by one, and he did not defend any because of assorted racist and other reasons, there was no one to help him when the gestapo came for him. So you should help your neighbours. I read that post of Erics where he spoke of the nasty german leader and I think his useage was as a reference to dictatorial actions with no appeals, as a dictator would do. Eric should have used a neutral dictator term and not an emotionally charged one. I addition the use of certain terms that might be considered anti-muslim have come from his keyboard. Now I have posted far more that Eric and I bet there is not one racist term in all I have said. A rare XXX word, but no racism , as it is not my nature. Eric has to learn some humility and do some kind of penance to earn his way back IMO. I suspect he may have spent some time of the newsgroups where calumny is rampant(sailors blush) and has had a problem transitioning to a responsible group. With 3 prior kickoffs you would think he would have learned his lesson. He also has to learn not to swear or issue racist stuff reflexively, like street people do. Last post this subject unless another throws the ball back. Bill

To: Giraffe who wrote (18743)	9/13/1998 8:21:00 PM
From: INFO_DART	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 116752

Giraffe Re: The Charter Affair But I draw the line at two things - first of all the 'ugly' posts (the ones that are nothing but viscious personal attacks or that contain nasty slurs against other ethnic groups) . . . This is a very serious charge. Can you substantiate it by posting links to these "viscious personal attacks or that contain nasty slurs against other ethnic groups?" It may also help to "Explain" SI Bob's actions. If not, I will have to assume your charges are without merit. Also, Please see the following thread. techstocks.com

To: Giraffe who wrote (18743)	9/13/1998 9:49:00 PM
From: Zardoz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

Giraffe Sez: "It was me who reported Charters to the sys-admin." So by stating this you are craving attention? I see no reason as to why you would share this with us. If only to step up, cause you think that you did smething proud? In Canada we have something called "free speach" {Well, we thought we did} It's bad enough that Market Makers on the TSE get gagged: Message 4693975 But now we post on SI, and we risk the problem of offending people. Where do we draw the lines? Many people have said things that are insulting, stupid, or down right slanderous. But we are adults here? If you can't defend yourself here, than where? Personally, I didn't find his comments offensive, but look at it this way: In Washington the other day, they had a million man march praising black rights. Had this been a million men march praising white rights, it would be deemed racist. So why wasn't the press calling the the black million man march racist? Preception. Most do not get offended as quickly as others. I'm am confident in saying I'm not a racist. And as such am not offended by ANY comments. I never found Charters comments as racists. As someone who been in Jill Jail... I don't want to go there again. It is a lonely place. But 1 week there is enough to calm everyone. If the Ad-min wanted to, he could/can/does remove posts.

To: Giraffe who wrote (18743)	9/14/1998 10:25:00 PM
From: Mick	Respond to of 116752

Pompous Giraffe Charters was a harmless curmudgeon (irritable elderly man)

To: Giraffe who wrote (18743)	9/15/1998 5:35:00 AM
From: tshane	Respond to of 116752

OFF TOPIC (but on topic if you might suspect that mass-think and group psychology might be useful in investment decisions) From Giraffe: "If you say that I'm too politically correct, so be it. I can live with that easier than thinking of myself as a coward." Interesting thing, political correctness. Do you realize that it is just bigotry and scapegoating that has the current approval of the society where it exists. Did it ever occur to you that it was politically correct to persecute the Jews in Nazi Germany. Do you think the people who were angry at the Jews and looking the other way while they were disappearing and being murdered were going home and saying "I'm a mean intolerant person"? No, they were participating in a politically-correct and well-formulated rationalization as to why the Jews were the cause of their unhappiness and fear; and, they did it with a sense of justified self-righteousness. It's also interesting to watch groups who have been victims of persecution who then attain a power position. Very few in the herd have learned anything from their victimization. Given some power they become as cruel as their persecutors and are driven by their self-righteousness. By this behavior the "what goes around, comes around" wheel is given some more momentum, guaranteeing that the eye-for-an-eye dynamic can last a few more generations. Our freedom of speech is supposed to allow us to express all the political correctness (and incorrectness)we want, but having people with an opinion different than ours proudly and self-righteously eliminated seems to be a dangerous road to start down if history is any indicator.