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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (4783)	9/23/1998 10:25:00 AM
From: MulhollandDrive	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

OTOTOT Michelle, I really don't understand your point. For example you said: >>No taxes were paid on those gains, and believe me they are substantial.<< They would pay capital gains on the excess over 250K if single and 500K if married, how are you concluding that they pay no taxes? You said that>> your corporation was paid in stock. I paid myself very little. How much taxes should I pay.<< Again I don't understand your point. Your personal taxes would be based on your net income, if you elect to pay yourself "very little", that's your choice. But, basically you are deferring income (for whatever reason you see fit). I'm assuming you are a "C" Corp. so when your corporation sells the stock your corporation would then pay taxes on the the sale amount. What problem are you having with that? The only problem I see is that once that particular income (sale of corp. assets) eventually flows thru to your personal return (bonus, income) you will be taxed again. The argument you seem to making is that your income tax if Dell had paid you direct would have been too high, so instead you had Dell pay your corporation in stock. Again, you simply deferring that income. Sooner or later I assume you will "cash in" your stock payment either personally or corporately and you will pay taxes on capital gains, not income (ostensibly will be a lower amount if you are in the top tax bracket). If I'm hearing you correctly you seem to be complaining that you felt you were forced to accept payment to your corporation instead of personally because you perceive your "income tax" to be excessive and chose to "shelter" that income temporarily in your corporation. Your situation appears to be a very strong example of why we need a flat income tax with much lower rates. You are currently shielding that income from taxes (legally) and will eventually be forced to pay taxes personally once you "recognize" that gain on your personal return. So currently the IRS gets no money from you at all on that transaction. Now multiply that times probably millions of people who are currently sheltering income in the same way. If there were a fair, flat tax people would feel "forced" to go to such means to preserve their income from the excessive current rate. So my point is 15% of something is certainly better than 33% of nothing. I have concluded that an across the board tax reduction in a flat tax mechanism is a win/win situation for the government and the taxpayer. bp

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (4783)	9/23/1998 10:59:00 AM
From: j_b	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

OT****<< Well, my corporation was paid in stock. I paid myself very little. How much taxes should I pay>> Are you implying that the stock transaction was not a taxable transaction? If so, you may be in for a rude surprise. Being paid with stock is still being paid. The transaction is valued at either the value of your services or the value of the stock depending on certain circumstances, but it is still income. If the stock was given to your corporation, the corporation will show the value of the transaction as income, and will be taxed accordingly. <<If I were an employee of Dell I would have paid much more in taxes, and I would have earned much less>> How do you arrive at this conclusion? If you earned more, you probably owed more in taxes. If you didn't owe more, you either didn't earn as much, or you had other tax shelters. Of course, the Dell employees may also have those shelters. The employees also probably got stock options as part of their pay, and may even have access to a discounted stock purchase plan. They also have benefits, etc. As to the Dell employees not having the option of being paid using stock - they can always approach management and make the offer. I've done that with some success at various companies.