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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (5034)	9/23/1998 3:22:00 PM
From: Les H	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Hillary Kicks Bill Out Of Bedroom The new Monica shocker that made First Lady snap Hillary Clinton snapped when she finally learned all the lurid details of the President's affair with Monica Lewinsky -- and kicked him out of their marital bed forever. While the First Lady was putting on a brave public face, she was hiding her fury at the revelation -- contained in Ken Starr's report -- that Bill boasted to Monica he'd had literally hundreds of affairs early in their marriage! And she was deeply hurt by the realization that the affair was more than a mere physical dalliance between two lust-crazed adults -- it was a real romance. "The air is so tense in the Presidential living quarters that the Secret Service agents are walking on eggshells," a source close to the White House told The ENQUIRER. "Hillary was overheard by one of the staff saying to Bill: 'This bed now has room for only one of us -- and it sure as hell is NOT you!' " The Starr report released September 11 states: "According to Ms. Lewinsky, the President explained that they had to end their intimate relationship. Earlier in his marriage, he told her, he had had hundreds of affairs; but since turning 40, he had made a concerted effort to be faithful." And an insider declared: "The final straw for Hillary, the last indignity, was when she learned Bill told Monica he'd had hundreds of affairs. She went absolutely nuclear. "And Hillary wasn't moved one bit because Bill said he tried to stop his womanizing when he turned 40. "Hillary was also infuriated when she learned Monica had told prosecutors she 'just knew' that Bill 'was in love with me,' and that they even talked about being together when he left office." The Starr report discloses: "According to Ms. Lewinsky's friend Neysa Erbland, President Clinton once confided in Ms. Lewinsky that he was uncertain whether he would remain married after he left the White House. He said in essence, '[W]ho knows what will happen four years from now when I am out of office.' " Said the insider: "Hillary was virtually convulsive when she heard that Bill treated Monica like a wife, calling her 'Dear', 'Baby' and 'Sweetie' -- endearments he hasn't used with Hillary in years. "She was suddenly faced with the realization that Bill and Monica weren't just fooling around, that they had the kind of erotic, experimental relationship that real lovers have -- and it made her both heartsick and jealous." Bill and Hillary often slept apart in the White House because he kept later hours, but they did try to sleep together when they could. Now Hillary has banned him from their bed for good, confided the insider. And Hillary told a friend about the frightful scene in the First Couple's bedroom after she learned about the true nature of Bill and Monica's relationship: "I confronted Bill and said, 'How dare you treat me like a second-rate wife and give this intern VIP treatment? How dare you give her all the love that was due me? You are out of here. Do not return to our bed ever again!' " And Hillary told her friend: "I want him to sleep alone in another bedroom and I want him to feel the isolation and rejection that I'm feeling now!" The First Lady is devastated after learning that Bill was cavorting with Monica when Hillary was out of town -- and when he was supposedly working nights in the Oval Office. "She's also suffered deep humiliation that their daughter Chelsea had to be subjected to this. She's tried to protect Chelsea and give her a normal upbringing. "Now Hillary doesn't know what the future holds. She's not prepared to leave Bill until he is out of the White House, but after he leaves, she could easily walk away." Another source revealed that Hillary was close to tears when she told a confidante: "I'm heartbroken by Bill's terrible betrayal of me and what we once had. "What he did with Monica he did with love, not just lust. She somehow captured his heart -- and that just about kills me." The source added: "Any woman whose husband is caught in adultery is humiliated by it. Such a woman thinks her friends and neighbors wonder what's wrong with her that made him want to stray. "But in Hillary's case, the neighborhood is the whole world!" -- BENNET BOLTON >>>Good thing for Bill she didn't go postal.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (5034)	9/23/1998 4:21:00 PM
From: j_b	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

<<Take for example, a normal child being raised by retarded parents>> You will always be able to find exceptions to any generalization. However, that doesn't make the generalization less valid. IMHO, it is generally true that a child raised by both parents will be better able to deal with the world outside the home, since they have examples of both male and female behavior and interaction. They will also see dispute resolution, and will form their opinions on the appropriate role of men and women based on how those roles are handled at home. The parents will also be better able to provide the love and guidance a child needs, since the tasks will be shared. I could go on, but I know you get the idea. <<Better for the RR to say that everybody has the potential to be a good parent, or parents, and support some children first legislation, and leave it at that imo.>> As regards legislation, we agree. However, I have no problem with the RR pointing out how they think people could do a better job of parenting. I also have no problem with a liberal doing the same. I just frown on the use of force or legislation to get the job done.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (5034)	9/23/1998 10:02:00 PM
From: Dwight E. Karlsen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Michelle, PETA? -RFLOL- That's gotta be one of the zanier groups. I would much prefer to belong to AETP: "Animals for the Ethical Treatment of People". It makes more sense: We are at least expected to act ethically, because we are civilized. Animals are downright animalistic (at least at times :-)). >>This is one thing I AM curious about. Is it just the fact that there is testosterone in the household, or what?<< Well, a little testosterone goes a long way sometimes. Our receptionist at work was "truly impressed" when I brought in my handy-dandy socket set and proceeded to remove the bolts and take apart our paper shredder, which had ceased working. :-) The act was complete when I put it back together and it worked again. I had to disable the circuit which acted as a safeguard so the machine doesn't start up unless a piece of paper is pushed into the slot, but hey, it shreds paper again, and we didn't have to buy a new shredder or send it to a repair shop. (No, I didn't call Ralph Nader to ask if this was a recommended fix -vbg-). >>Take for example, a normal child being raised by retarded parents. Is that acceptable to the RR if there is a father there? Because many would argue that a child will suffer in that climate.<< Retarded parents: I think this is an extreme example, since I don't know of any retarted adult who has even become a parent. I do know of a person who had a baby only about five years after having several fairly lengthly bouts with schizophrenia. It is little to no consolation to me that her live-in boyfriend is an unemployed druggie. If you've never seen a person suffering from schizphrenia, let me tell you, it's scary. At one point this woman had to strapped to a bed with arm and leg restraints. Now it's true that this woman hasn't had a bout with schizophrenia in many years, and I don't know the historical probabilities of more schizophrenic outbreaks. But it's scary that she's trying to raise a child, and I hope that the state and her parents are monitoring the situation closely, ready to swoop in and take the child into protective custody. If you were going to place a child for adoption in a 2-parent household of ex-felons vs. a 1 parent wealthy woman executive which would you choose? I'm not sure, because it would depend on the specific details. What if it was two perjury felons? -LOL- I actually would not weight the 1 parent woman executive at half the weight of two parents. I would look at the personalities of the would-be-parents. Again, I'm not vehemently opposed to 1-parent households. People do have rights to raise kids if they please, whether it's one person or two. For example, I would always wish that a single pregnant woman chose to bear and raise her child rather than aborting it. But do I think its a great idea for a woman to do like Madonna did? Put it this way: I have feelings of sympathy for the child. I think it's unfortunate and sad that Madonna evidently made a purposeful choice to exclude the biological father. If that person was unacceptable to be a father, I think it was irresponsible to plan to bear a child with that person as the biological father. But if the biological father is nevertheless unacceptable or later proved to be, then I think that Madonna would be doing right for her child if she did some serious husband shopping. >Or for example a father is abusive, is it then also preferable to have him around vs. non?< Well no. If a father is abusive, then I'm all for booting him out: I think he should be booted out. The child's welfare comes first. Keeping in mind that there are lots and lots of areas of grey in these matters, but in general if one focuses on the welfare of the child, you'll be on the right track. IMO Ever notice that single childless people often have the best child-rearing advice? -ggg-