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Pastimes : Dream Machine ( Build your own PC ) -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: pae who wrote (3110)	10/19/1998 10:43:00 PM
From: Spots	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14778

>>am I creating any blocks to an eventual (maybe sooner - I HATE pushing reset while the markets are open!) upgrade to NT4 or 5 with multi-monitors? Well, since you addressed this explicitly to me, I will answer: You couldn't have picked a worse guy to ask about multi-monitors. I know even less about them than about all the other stuff I fake on this thread<G>. That said, I do have a comment: I would NOT get a dual CPU motherboard at this point with a view to adding a second processor unless you can pick a definite future time when you will add the processor within the next few months (max 6, I'd say, which is pushing the envelope at that). Suppose you want to add a slot 2.259 processor? (Of course there is no such thing, but it will probably be out seven months from now anyhow.) You at least have a chance of using your 350 in a slot 2.259 MB a year from now (small, but real), but you'll NEVER use that Krypton (the Xeon follow on) processor you want to add in the slot-1 dual processor MB you buy next week. Even if you decide to add another slot-1 processor (probably a 650), you'll want other things next year which your MB will need to be replaced to get. What? I don't know. USPBFS bus (universal serial-parallel-firewire-SCSI bus) or some such. Looking ahead just doesn't pay in this marketplace. Spots

To: pae who wrote (3110)	10/20/1998 12:20:00 AM
From: Dan Spangenberg	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 14778

Paul, a couple of observations on your setup. Abit BH6 - great choice, best MB I ever had. Yes it supports temp monitoring via shareware, although it is only MB temp & not CPU. software is available at euronet.nl I would save some money, and increase performance by using the BH6 to overclock a celeron 300a instead of the PII 350. This may raise some eyebrows but it is really a viable option. I have been running for quite a while now on a BH6 300a OC'ed to 464 mhz. Benchmarks better than a 400. Runs rocks solid with no probs, either in NT or 98. There are many links on the web on OC'ing, the Abit MB is best choice for this. My favorite site with great info on OC'ing is the unofficial ABIT page. bxboards.pair.com In my mind, spending less on a processor now lets you upgrade quicker when new stuff comes out. The price you show on ram is quite expensive. The best quality PC100 ram (samsung or equivalent) 128 meg should only cost around $214 for GH spec or $249 for G8. ECC dimms are not needed. Available at mushkin.com or memory-man.com They also sell great bundles. Having used several dual processor P2 Motherboards, both in server and workstations and after closely monitoring the NT taskmanager-Processes-CPU time over a long period, I have concluded that there are very few instances where a dual processor will give you any kind of perceivable edge. The processor utilization is always below 10%. If you watch closely you can sometimes see it spike up, but it returns back down immediately. Dual boards are rarely needed, never in trading. And I echo Spots' opinion on them. As far as the monitors, I have 2 P810's from Master Repair. I am running at 1280 x 1024 at 72 hz. They are great right there. The PT813 is an aperature grille monitor, some people feel that aperature grilles aren't quite as sharp on text, but superior on graphics. I think the P815 is basically the same tube, just a higher refresh rate and rez, which I don't think you would use. It is always better to use the lowest possible refresh rate, without perceivable flicker, to give the sharpest text. I would be happy with G810's P810's or the P815. If you are really putting 4 monitors in a single system, I would only use one of the "multi-monitor on one card" solutions (either 2 or 4). Don't know the links to the other companies, but Matrox is coming out with theirs very soon. They cost more, but less hassle with conflicts and drivers and that will solve the PCI slot shortage. Finally I believe the best choice to insure stability is to do NT 4.0 now. With the amount of hardware and apps you are running, NT will perform much better than Win98. Myself, I would never do that setup in 98. There are a number of posts from the weekend discussing this. Sorry to ramble adn I hope all this will help some. Looks like it'll be a killer system. Good Luck Dan

To: pae who wrote (3110)	10/20/1998 7:21:00 PM
From: Street Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14778

MasterRepair and SYGATE / Networking computers StreetWalker/ Dan S.: Marty @MasterRepair didn't have G810s in stock, referred me to Alan? @Armidillo who didn't have G810s in the showroom but is supposed to check warehouse and call. Am I limiting my chances of getting filled on 4 G810s by making such a narrow choice? Would it be wiser to accept P815s or P813s or P810s as well? What sense do you get of MasterRepair/ArmidilloBros's 21" model flow? MasterRepair is on a first come first serve basis and they get new shipments in once a month. My suggestion would be to contact them and ask when they will get their new shipment in. The G810 is cheaper because it is an older model. If you are buying 4, they should give you a nice price cut, regardless of the models you choose. StreetWalker: what plug setup on the extra ethernet card do you need to make Sygate work? If possible I'll get that to temporarily bring the new machine into my Linksys hub (which uses 10baseT) as well as to facilitate possible sharing connections via Sygate in the future. I'll recover a Linksys ethernet PCI card when I cut over to the new machine. (I do plan to run with simultaneous (but not shotgunned) V.90 links most but not all of the time - but may have more than 2 computers hence Sygate.) If you are using a telephone ISP, then there is no need for an extra ethernet card. That is only needed if you are using something like a cable modem, inwhich two cards will be in the gateway computer - the one that has sygate in it. For Sygate, all you need is an ethernet card in each of your computers. The computer with the modem you will be using will become your gateway. Directions: Install the cards Download Sygate: sygate.com (I traded stocks running 3 computers for over a week on the free trial version) Then hook the cards to the hub using the thick telephone-like cords. Go into your : My Computer >>>Control Pannel>>>>>NETWORK and double click on "TCP/IP name of your installed card" IP ADDRESS: These are the numbers I used: IP address: 192.168.22.1 for computer #1 (then changed last number of other computers) Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 WINS Configuration: click on Disable WINS Resolution GateWAy: in the computer where sygate is downloaded, LEAVE this blank! In all the other computers, type: 192.168.22.1 and click ADD. (note this is the number of the IP address you assigned to your number 1 gateway computer) Configuration: Disable DNS All the other stuff just leave how it is. This is real basic. Took the guy I watched doing it just a few minutes. I had never seen a network established and was amazed at the simplicity. If you get stuck, I suggest you refer to Sygate troubleshooter at homepage. Let me know how it goes. Regards, S.W.