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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: jjs_ynot who wrote (18908)12/13/1998 11:50:00 AM
From: coug  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 67261
 
Dave,

Both sides have waved the constitution with their own interpretation, whether Censure is in it, and of course the big one,
"What is a impeachable offense?" Everybody has their own call on that
one... so it becomes a C.C. if it becomes nasty in the House.

I honestly believe any judicial committee of the opposite party
in majority could find an impeachable offense against a sitting
president.. Remember, Barr was ready to impeach in 1997, I guess
he thought he had something then or maybe just clairvoyant and I
don't want to trust my impeachment decisions on claivoyancey by
anyone of either party..

Coug..



To: jjs_ynot who wrote (18908)12/13/1998 12:48:00 PM
From: miraje  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 67261
 
I have been following this thread sporadically for the last month or so. So much passion and polarization! I am neither a Republican nor Democrat (independant/libertarian) and would like to pose an objective political scenario that, IMO, will be the likely outcome of the current impeachment procedings.

Impeachment is a political, not criminal, process. Although I don't like Clintons politics and deplore his lack of character, the fact remains that he was elected and re-elected president. Those who voted for him knew what they were getting. Gennifer Flowers and other rumored affairs, "I didn't inhale", his military draft status, etc., were no secret to voters.

I truly believe that the GOP, if they vote to send this to the Senate, is dooming itself to reassuming minority status in the 2000 elections. I admire those who vote their conscience, regardless of political expediency, but the GOP, on a purely pragmatic level, is going to take a hit on this one, again, IMO.

A large majority of voters believe that Clinton is a liar, that he committed perjury, obstructed justice, and is basically a sleazebag, but they also DO NOT want the country put through the months of agony of an impeachment trial over the attempt to cover up a sexual relationship between consenting adults.

If I were a Democrat, I'd be thrilled about the prospect of months of ongoing porno broadcast by C-SPAN during a Senate trial. ("Ms. Lewinski, could you affirm which particular bodily orifice in which you inserted the cigar. Could we have the explicit detailed transcripts of phone sex conversations read into the record. Please provide the details of how the presidents DNA appeared on your blue dress). Months of tawdry and salacious testimony.

Meanwhile, the whole world laughs at us, important issues are left unattended, the market could very well take a big hit, hostile foreign governments and terrorists are encouraged to do who knows what, and probably more negative consequences.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict who is going to get blamed and hammered in the voting booths over this. If the GOP wants to go down over a matter of principle, so be it. Again, I personally admire them for it. A very smart pragmatic political solution would be to vote a severe censure, spare the country the consequences of an impeachment trial, push their agenda (much of which I agree with on a fiscal level) through against a weakened president and clean up in the year 2000 elections.

Regards, JB