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To: Bill Harmond who wrote (30490)12/19/1998 2:22:00 PM
From: KeepItSimple  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 164684
 
> How Mary Meeker came to rule the Internet..Still bullush on Amazon

Hello William, this is another issue I have noticed, everyone here says that you and Mary Meeker are close friends?

I wonder about the bullishness on Amazon, it is clear she has two "faces" when it comes to her internet stocks- the story she tells the general public and the story she tells her paying clients. And often the two stories are entirely different.

Well, let me be more specific- she often tells her clients to "sell" or "hedge" the net stocks while she has never made a public statement to that effect. In fact, all of her public statements have been raging "buys". I have an account with MSDW (but rarely use) and have been confused at her public and private statements before- if you could shed some light on this issue it would be appreciated.

thanks



To: Bill Harmond who wrote (30490)12/19/1998 4:10:00 PM
From: Spytrdr  Respond to of 164684
 
December 21, 1998   'Net Queen How Mary Meeker came to rule the Internet By Andrew Bary Tables: Meeker's Universe | Thin Float Just about everybody in America knows that Internet mania has been sweeping Wall Street lately, ballooning the value of once-fledgling companies to unbelievable heights. But only the cognoscenti realize that a lot of this excitement has been whipped up by Mary Meeker, a 38-year-old analyst at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter. In Wall Street parlance, Meeker is known as the "axe" for the Internet sector, meaning she is the most influential analyst around. Indeed, for big institutional investors, an Internet stock hasn't arrived until it has Meeker's stamp of approval. "An awful lot of analysts have never met a stock they didn't like. But Mary has done a brilliant job of identifying the winners, the ones that go up tenfold," says Roger McNamee, a partner at Integral Capital Partners in Menlo Park, California. While most analysts are happy to have recommended a single stock that goes on to climb tenfold, Meeker can claim four: America Online, Dell Computer, Compaq Computer and Microsoft. Her current favorites include Yahoo, Amazon.com, eBay, AOL, @Home and Microsoft. Says Pamela Cutrell, a vice president and analyst at Essex Investment Management in Boston, which has sizable Internet holdings, "When Mary speaks, people listen." Meeker's power stems from the fact that the world of Internet stocks is full of potential yet fraught with danger, too. No one really knows what some of these stocks will be worth a year from now. For that reason, investors in Internet stocks are always eager for guidance. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A Sample of Meekerisms ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Unlike analysts in most other sectors of the stock market, Meeker doesn't have the luxury of measuring her stocks against traditional yardsticks like, say, the relationship between a company's stock price and its earnings per share. After all, most of the companies Meeker covers don't have any earnings, and they might not for years to come. Meeker bases her stock predictions in large part on her broad vision of the future. Two years ago she wrote a book predicting that the Internet would take billions of advertising dollars away from TV, radio and print media, and last year she wrote another one explaining how the 'Net would evolve into a shopping mecca, competing against traditional retail stores. At Morgan Stanley, Meeker regularly offers her market intelligence in research publications and in E-mail messages, always using her trademark breezy writing style. Of Yahoo, for example, she said last spring, "Hmm, what's the value of leadership in the fastest-growing medium in the history of the planet?" In a recent yearend outlook piece, she wrote that stocks of the Internet leaders are "yes, cheap. Why? It's simple; the market opportunities are really large." Meeker has been criticized as a cheerleader for Internet stocks, but so far her predictions have been dead on. Her biggest success was getting investors into America Online when it was trading at $2 in late 1993. Since then, the stock has shot up to $105, giving the firm a market value of $50 billion, more than that of General Motors. Known as a workaholic, Meeker often puts in 16-hour days, dividing her time between her office in Morgan Stanley's headquarters near Times Square and her apartment on Manhattan's Upper West Side. Clients say they sometimes get an E-mail from Meeker in the middle of the night with her latest view on some 'Net stock. She travels frequently, spending about half her time on the road visiting companies and clients. Meeker is so valuable to Morgan Stanley that she's reportedly one of the best-paid analysts at the firm, with a compensation package of perhaps several million dollars a year. She could be better known by the public at large, but Meeker has chosen to keep a relatively low profile. Even her top institutional clients find it difficult to reach her on the phone. Preferring to focus on her research, Meeker doesn't speak often to the press, and she appears only rarely on CNBC, which she calls the "MTV of my generation." As a student of financial and economic history, Meeker is well aware that a lot of smart people feel the current Internet mania is one of the great Wall Street bubbles. But she isn't ready to pull the plug: "I am concerned about high stock prices in the near term, but if the companies can execute, I'm not concerned about high prices long-term at all." When we interviewed Meeker in her cluttered office, strewn with piles of paper and software boxes, we asked why individual investors have been so quick to see the value in Internet stocks, while big institutional investors have done so only grudgingly. "It's partly the Peter Lynch thing," she responded, referring to the Fidelity titan's advice to buy stocks in companies whose products you like. "If you're getting your news on Yahoo, watching the Clinton testimony on Broadcast.com, just bought a mirrorball, as a friend of mine did, on eBay, and are doing your Christmas shopping on Amazon, you're more inclined to buy the stocks." One of her bullish arguments for Internet stocks is that, eventually, institutional investors will jump on board in greater numbers. The reason: Almost 90% of all professional money managers are trailing the Standard & Poor's 500 Index for the second straight year, partly because the vast majority haven't owned what she calls the "Nifty 'Nets." Meeker's detractors say she's trying to justify untenable valuations by changing the rules of the game and ignoring the manifold risks of the 'Net. A glance at the accompanying table, which lists the 20 most valuable Internet companies, shows just how high those prices have run. Yahoo, for example, traded last week at 212, a staggering 500 times projected 1998 profits and more than 100 times revenues. Morgan Stanley's Internet Index, an unweighted average of 68 'Net stocks, has tripled this year, with leaders like Amazon, Yahoo and America Online rising far more than that. 'Net mania was particularly strong last week as Amazon surged 61 to 284 after an analyst at CIBC Oppenheimer lifted his price target to $400 a share. At that price Amazon is now valued at $14 billion, making it the sixth-most-highly valued retailer in the country-bigger than May Department Stores, for example, and just a bit behind Sears Roebuck. Meanwhile, Yahoo shares were up 16 1/2 during the week, to 212; eBay rose 60, to 252 and America Online increased 13 1/2, to 105 1/2 . This recent spurt has been powered by expectations for strong Internet commerce this Christmas, which could total $10 billion or more, 10 times what it was a year ago. Meeker says, "When people see the Christmas data from the companies in January, they will say 'Wow!' " But even 'Net fans like McNamee feel valuations have gotten stretched. "The mania is in full swing. Things have gotten more loopy than they were before," he said last week. "At some point, it will be appropriate for Mary to become less bullish. It'll be interesting to see how she handles it." Adds Essex's Cutrell: "We dread the day when she decides to downgrade the stocks." Meeker freely admits that the risks are high, but so are the opportunities, she insists. "Nothing has happened like this before. It just hasn't. TV and radio took years to develop. This has taken virtually months." She notes that Internet users have mushroomed to 80 million today from just five million in 1995. The number could hit 150 million by 2000, she says. And even with the manifold increase in the market values of companies like Amazon, Yahoo and eBay, she points out that the market value of the entire Internet sector, excluding America Online, totals below $90 billion. That's less than the market value of a good-sized drug company like Eli Lilly. Meeker's approach is to try to identify the emerging industry leaders and not let seemingly high valuations scare her into backing off. Her view is that winners often get stronger, appropriating market share and profits from weaker players. One of her basic investing rules is simple: "How big's the market, how high is a company's market share, and who's No. 1?" Unlike most analysts, she doesn't set price targets for her stocks because she doesn't want to be constricted by them. Microsoft, for instance, has risen more than 300-fold since its split-adjusted IPO price of 39 cents a share in 1986. Getting out of Microsoft along the way because it hit some artificial price target would have been a mistake, she says. "Mary realizes that great stocks are rarely cheap," says Russell Grandinetti, a former Meeker assistant and now chief of investor relations at Amazon. "She knows that the one thing about tech investing is that whatever happens next year isn't what you thought would happen. So she wants to bet on the best management teams." Byron Wien, Morgan Stanley domestic strategist, says Meeker recognized early on that investors would be willing to value Internet companies based on revenues and not profits as long as there was a hope of substantial profits in the future. The Internet industry is still relatively young, but Meeker says winners already are emerging. "In some categories, it's already 'Game over,' " she avers. "I wouldn't want to be competing against Yahoo. I wouldn't know how." Cover Story, Part 2 December 21, 1998   Cover Story, Part 2 Cover Story, Part 1 She predicts that 1999 could be a year of industry consolidation as smaller companies merge to compete against Yahoo and established retailers threatened by E-commerce seek a Web presence. Meeker believes that Barnes & Noble will continue to have a tough time playing catch-up in Internet bookselling against Amazon, which controls about 90% of the market and is using that position to sell music and other goods. When it comes to Internet technology, Meeker literally wrote the book. In late 1995, when the Internet was viewed mainly as a medium for technogeeks and an outlet for pornography, she co-authored a tome called the Internet Report, which laid out a blueprint for the 'Net industry's growth, citing the histories of other mass media like radio and TV. The book sold about 15,000 copies in bookstores and has been downloaded more than 100,000 times from Morgan Stanley's Website. In late 1996, when Wall Street was wondering how anyone could make money from the Internet, Meeker published a second book, the Internet Advertising Report. She followed that up in the summer of 1997 with the Internet Retailing Report, which argued that the medium provided an "efficient and powerful new channel" for commerce, giving 'Net companies a second source of revenues. To get an idea how Meeker thinks, take a look at how she values Amazon: The global book business generates annual revenues of $85 billion. Say the total market expands to $100 billion in five years, while the online segment of it grows to 10% of the market from 1% today. Even if Amazon's market share drops to 60% of the online segment from its current 90%, that means $6 billion in revenues for the company, up from an estimated $600 million today. Next comes music, primarily compact discs and tapes, which generate annual sales of $45 billion a year, and lots of other areas that Amazon may choose to tackle. Meeker admits she's been somewhat frustrated that Amazon hasn't "proven that its financial model works." But she says Amazon's critics are missing the big picture. "The point is: Given that the market opportunities are so large, should companies be allowed to lose money to seize the No. 1 spot?" Meeker says for Amazon, the answer is yes. And the stock market clearly agrees with her. Amazon's detractors say it has an outrageous valuation for a company that operates in a low-margin business like bookselling. And now, they scoff, Amazon is moving into an even lower-margin area by selling compact discs, tapes and other music. "The problem is that people may suddenly wake up one morning and say Amazon and other 'Net companies are just retailers and value them at 30 times earnings, not at 200 or 1,000 times earnings," says Michael Murphy, publisher of the California Technology Stock Letter. Jonathan Cohen, Merrill Lynch's Internet analyst, opined last week that Amazon is worth just $50 a share. But that didn't do much to dent investors' enthusiasm. Murphy says America Online's success has done an enormous amount to legitimize 'Net stocks because AOL showed that spending heavily to gain the No. 1 spot can eventually prove profitable. At long last, AOL is now capitalizing on its 14 million subscribers after spending more than $1 billion to build that base. Yet Murphy feels that other Internet companies lack the advantages of AOL, which gets to collect monthly membership fees from its 14 million users. Yahoo trades at an even loftier multiple of earnings than AOL does, but Meeker loves the stock anyway. Her view: "Yahoo's revenue generation hasn't caught up with its importance as an organization." She cites the appeal of Yahoo's 40 million monthly users to advertisers: "Yahoo has cachet as the leading place, the coolest place, the best place." Meeker began her career as a junior analyst at Salomon Brothers in 1986. She joined Morgan Stanley in 1991 to cover software and personal-computer companies like Dell, Compaq and Microsoft, and she moved to the Internet companies in 1995 with the initial public offering of Netscape Communications, a Morgan Stanley client. Meeker concedes that she has made a few bad calls in her career, and one of them was being late to start covering Yahoo, which she first recommended in April, two years after its IPO. She jokes that her "buy" recommendation on Yahoo read like a "Catholic confessional" because she knew she had neglected an industry leader. Since her report, Yahoo's market value has quadrupled to about $20 billion. Determined not to make that mistake again, Meeker decided to recommend eBay, the Internet's version of a flea market, on the day of its initial public offering in September. Meeker wasn't deterred by the fact that eBay was underwritten by Morgan Stanley's chief rival in the technology area, Goldman Sachs. eBay was offered at 18, finished its first day of trading at 47 3/8 and now stands at 252. Her view is that anyone selling comic books, Beanie Babies or baseball cards wants to reach as broad an audience as possible and eBay is the perfect medium. She feels it is poised to capture a big chunk of the $100 billion collectibles market. Internet mania has struck with a vengeance in 1998, partly thanks to Meeker's enthusiastic reports. That said, eBay's market value of $10 billion is enormous for a company that is slated to have about $6 million in net income this year. This seems crazy to Matt Stichnoth, editor of the Wall Street Companion, an investment newsletter. Stichnoth recently asserted that eBay has been profitable only because "it does essentially nothing in return for the commissions it receives." He notes that auctioneers like Sotheby's offer such basic services as the authentication and appraisal of goods, something eBay does not provide. EBay's ascent, as well as those of other Internet companies, has been aided by the fact that they have "thin floats." This factor shouldn't be underestimated. A thin float means that company insiders and others control much of the stock, limiting the amount of stock in public hands. As the accompanying table shows, the publicly available stock in eBay is just 3.5 million shares, or only 9% of the shares outstanding. That means it doesn't take a lot of buying by the public to levitate eBay's share price. Other companies with relatively thin floats include Amazon, @Home, CNet, and Broadcast.com. By contrast, companies like AOL and Microsoft have a high percentage of their shares in the public's hands. The danger to buyers in companies with thin floats is that the high prices may prompt selling by insiders. For eBay, restrictions on insider sales end in March. For the time being, however, the combination of thin float and heavy involvement by short-sellers in the Internet stocks could prove a big boost because the continued rally in the stocks is likely forcing the short-sellers to buy back their shares and get out. Their buying just sends the share prices higher. As the table shows, shortsellers account for big chunks of the float in Amazon, eBay and CNet. Who will be the losers from the Internet's ascendancy? Meeker points to Mattel, which last week shocked Wall Street with a projection of weaker-than-expected profits and said it was buying the Learning Co., a software maker. "That's a big deal because the root of Mattel's problem is that kids are spending their time differently," Meeker says. To be more precise, kids are spending more time with computers and playing less with Barbie dolls and other toys. Mattel evidently believes the answer lies in the Learning Co., which makes popular educational software and computer games for kids. Meeker predicts that from now on, every few months another traditional company will announce pressure on sales or profits because of upstart competitors on the 'Net. Meeker is an Indiana native who got her college diploma at DePaul in Chicago. She lives and breathes the Internet and is justifiably proud of her role in helping the industry along. Colleagues say that's one reason why she is still single. "It's been a busy five years," she says. "It has been a special time and a special place. In my lifetime, there probably will never be anything like this." In her spare time, Meeker can be seen rollerblading or biking in Central Park. In the summer, she likes to windsurf near her summer home in Amagansett on Long Island's tony south fork. In a concession to age, she has given up playing Ultimate Frisbee, which she did while studying for her MBA at Cornell in the mid-1980s. When Morgan Stanley lost a group of top technology investment bankers to Deutsche Morgan Grenfell two years ago, one of the firm's top priorities was retaining Meeker, as well as two other leading technology analysts, Charles Phillips and George Kelly. With Meeker on board, Morgan Stanley has managed to maintain a significant share of Internet-related underwritings, including offerings this year by America Online, Amazon, Excite and Broadcast.com. These deals have brought tens of millions of dollars in fees to Morgan Stanley. The firm also is advising Netscape on its pending merger with AOL. Even Meeker says she is somewhat concerned about the high prices being paid for Internet stocks. "When there's so much euphoria among retail buyers, often it can be symbolic of an impending reversal," she says. Meeker mentions, for example, a Manhattan hairdresser who is buying a second apartment with profits from Amazon. Meeker concedes that the Internet stocks could experience a letdown in early 1999 if first-quarter sales fall well short of those that will be reported for the fourth quarter, which will include heavy holiday spending. Says Meeker, "I'd love nothing more than for the stocks to trade down 25%-50% to make them more reasonable to buy, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards." Not in 1998, anyway.



To: Bill Harmond who wrote (30490)12/19/1998 5:33:00 PM
From: Gary Walker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 164684
 
This isn't about fundamentals.....

"...the combination of thin float and heavy involvement by short-sellers in the Internet stocks could prove a big boost because the continued rally in the stocks is likely forcing the short-sellers to buy back their shares and get out. Their buying just sends the share prices higher."

Mary Meeker's former assistant is the Head of AMZN's Investor Relations. Gee, I wonder if she got permission to attend the private meeting with analysts?

EBAY is even a bigger joke than AMZN!

It's about thin floats, electronic trading, low commissions, rumors, ignorance, and greed. Fundamentals are dead....for now.



To: Bill Harmond who wrote (30490)12/20/1998 1:10:00 PM
From: H James Morris  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 164684
 
William, good article. I was thinking that in the planet earth's history, we have had several prophets. Moses, Buddha, Mohammed, Jesus, and self-proclaimed, Joseph Smith.
This last decade Wall Street also has two prophets. Abbey Joseph Cohen and Mary Meeker. Who do you think will be the next one?
>>After all, most of the companies Meeker covers don't have any earnings, and they might not for years to come.

Meeker bases her stock predictions in large part on her broad vision of the future. Two years ago she wrote a book predicting that the Internet would take billions of advertising dollars away from TV, radio and print media, and last year she wrote another one explaining how the 'Net would evolve into a shopping mecca, competing against traditional retail stores.<<
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