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To: freeus who wrote (96957)	2/10/1999 4:19:00 PM
From: TigerPaw	Respond to of 176387

OT people were educated at home My grandparents were illiterate, not very good teachers. My parents were glad to be able to find public schooling (although I don't think they appreciated it as much at the time). Although my dad dropped out in 6th grade, he was able to get a GED and go on to college which he could only afford because of state subsidies which kept the cost low. My mother went to college when I was a kid. I was able to afford college only by driving an unsafe school bus when I wasn't in class, and waiting in line to collect my monthly food stamps (as well as a kind landlord who sometimes just tore up my rent checks when they bounced). Public supported education made the difference for me between being a short order cook or a Dellionair. I've paid back many more taxes because of the investment the government put into my education. TP - stepping off of soapbox now.

To: freeus who wrote (96957)	2/10/1999 4:24:00 PM
From: BGR	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 176387

<OT> freeus, I am not an US citizen, so it is not appropriate for me to comment on how the US budget should be used. But speaking in general, public education is perhaps the most important foundation of any modern democratic state. -BGR.

To: freeus who wrote (96957)	2/10/1999 4:48:00 PM
From: Chuzzlewit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 176387

Freeus, read McPherson's "Battle Cry of Freedom". In this book he credits the replacement of the apprenticeship system by mass production with the ascension of public education. He cites the amazement that a group of visiting English industrialists had when shown that American workers were able to make rifles. In England this kind of activity was learned through apprenticeship (and rifles were individually made and very expensive), but in the US mass production became possible because workers were able to read printed instructions. By contrast, American rifles were quite inexpensive. This observation, more than any other, persuaded the English to set up a public education system. Higher literacy rates in the North also created and fostered a much greater industrial output than the South during the Civil War. This statement totally incorrect: do people realize that for the first hundred years of this country people were educated at home or with private schooling and the literacy rate was higher than now. In Massachussets in 1850 three fourths of all children aged five to nineteen were enrolled in school. In any case, there was public education in much of the country in the 1830s. Horace Mann was credited with converting rural district schools and public charity schools into a public school system. And I haven't even begun to discuss the contributions that the land grant colleges made to the American culture. Did you know that Andy Grove of Intel, an immigrant, was educated at CCNY (then a free college supported by taxes in New York City)? I would be happy to supply you with historical citations if you want them. TTFN, CTC