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To: Fangorn who wrote (97006)	2/10/1999 5:39:00 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 176387

OT To compare the local schools prior to WW II to what we have now is a joke. Have you been to a public school since the 50's? I know there is variability but what you describe sounds nothing like the school my children are in. Last year we were dissapointed in my son's third grade teacher, too much drill work, not enough explanation. The rest of the teachers they have had are very dedicated and good. The nearest thing to social engineering I have seen is a DARE anti-drug seminar they were encouraged to attend (although we could have exempted them if we liked) and another which required our permission on not talking to strangers, bicycle safety, and what to do in case of a fire. The quality of the education is on par with what I had as a child. I'm not sure what else to compare it. I think you paint with too broad a brush here. TP - who didn't go to school prior to WWII

To: Fangorn who wrote (97006)	2/10/1999 5:45:00 PM
From: Chuzzlewit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 176387

Steven, again this is not true: What you fail to mention about public schools is that prior to the fifties and sixties they were controlled by local boards of parents who picked the teachers and curriculum For example, I went to school in NY State. There were state-wide requirements and curricula (which were set by the Board of Regents). Similar mechanisms existed in many other states. Horace Mann, whom I mentioned in a previous post to Freeus was responsible for amalgamating a hodgepodge of public schools into a statewide system. He was also responsible for setting up a series of "Normal Schools" for the training of teachers. Without free public education we would have a society mired in class distinctions. It is too horrific a thing to think about. TTFN, CTC IMO, the problem that we have with education right now is public "culture". We have media (movies and TV) that vie for the public dollar by glorifying violence, ignorance and insolence and ridiculing those who are educated. We have educational systems whose salaries are so low that they cannot possibly compete with private enterprise for the best and the brightest. And we have a mentality that has grown up in some minority communities that there is no point to education. Someone once quipped "What would happen if the Air Force had to have a bake sale to fund bombers, and we got all the money we needed for libraries?" TTFN, CTC