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To: Rambi who wrote (30909)	2/15/1999 3:01:00 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

brava Penni. I can't put my feelings down so clearly because I am still too pissed off.

To: Rambi who wrote (30909)	2/15/1999 3:33:00 PM
From: Edwarda	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

You may have a fever and feel like hell (feel better, penni!!!!), but you are spot on. This issue is not about sex or adultery or private acts, however much Clinton partisans wish to make us believe it is. It is about the abuse of power. Would La Lewinsky have been so willing to fool around with Joe Six-pack and put up with all the nonsense? Would Paula Jones have gone to the hotel room of a lower echelon party hack? WJC seems to have used the aura of his governmental offices to try to reap other benefits, something that the CEOs of corporations have been flayed for doing.

To: Rambi who wrote (30909)	2/15/1999 7:41:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I am surprised that you or anyone has the belief that our government is capable of being moral at any level. I wonder why you are surprised at anything. Someone said they admired Barney Frank!! Come on people. Frank was caught running a male prostitution ring out of his Washington condo and it was all covered up. The homo lobby is powerful and their are a lot of them in government. Pat Shroeder from Colorado did not run for re-election because some folks found the money trail for the bribes and payoffs she was getting from different interests. This info was held over her head and she bowed out gracefully and rich. She is far from the exception! How many in government are really honest. I'd say so few it would definitely shock you naive folks. Clinton was getting his knob polished? Well most of them are up to something no good and selfish IMO. And BTW, how many lesbian lovers does Janet have? And does that help their careers? Or does she just pay for it. And who is running that ring? Wake up.

To: Rambi who wrote (30909)	2/16/1999 10:58:00 AM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Dear Penni, Yes, approximately, I am saying that I would prefer to be without sin before I cast the first or any other stone. If I were judge or jury, it would be another thing altogether. I would tell the magistrate picking the jury that I could not serve because of a conscientious incapacity to judge fairly. Murder I can judge. Theft I can judge. Perjury I have trouble with because I cannot measure anyone's else intent to lie. I cannot imagine Clinton would lie unless he was sure he could get a way with it. I may be wrong, but I can't imagine the people of the US would be so stupid as to elect a stupid crook. I do not attempt to impose my reluctance on you -- I just suggest that true morality is yours to choose and (if you wish) defend. I too had sons (who never vote) and I taught them (I hope) a morality of courage and telling the truth. They never believed in politicians not because they were too cynical but because they understood that walking in slime would unavoidably get them dirty. I would not intrude, but if you have raised you children to look to adults for guidance, you have better help them choose someone safely dead like Socrates or Marcus or Jesus or Gautama as their guides. I'll admit that it is much safer and more profitable to follow successful politicians, but it is also much more subject to surprise. Societies never say anything. Only individual persons can have character, moral courage, personal sacrifice, and wisdom. These are dangerous traits to have. I hope you feel much better soon.