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To: Rambi who wrote (32144)3/7/1999 4:05:00 PM
From: E  Respond to of 108807
 
I agree with you so entirely, especially about this:

<But one thing
I've noticed is that even superior intelligence does not
ensure objective thought, just cleverer ways to justify and
rationalize behavior.>



To: Rambi who wrote (32144)3/7/1999 4:12:00 PM
From: Edwarda  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
Interesting observations, penni. One thing that Ayn Rand did suggest that I think is worth noting: Excellence can seek excellence and find it sexually attractive. Dagny had the hots for John Galt, sight unseen, on the basis of his mind and the power to realize what had seemed a dream.

Think of the cyberrelationships that abound all over SI between people who have never met and may never meet. These are minds attracting minds and whether the bodies are gorgeous or not is not relevent to the relatiionships.



To: Rambi who wrote (32144)3/10/1999 12:33:00 AM
From: Grainne  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
<<If she wants to wear ugly grey wool stockings and a shapeless sweater then who's to
criticize, and if Pam Anderson wants to enlarge her breasts to a 40 EEE, should we
care? Aren't these choices we as women have about ourselves?>>

Well, yes, Penni, of course women should have choices. But I wonder if we really have given ourselves as many new choices as we thought with feminism. I think it is easy to see the past in very polarized, black and white terms, for example. Really, many women were independent in past cultures, and in our own as well. And yet we are encouraged by feminist ideologues to see the present as full of freedoms, and the past as a prison.

As far as Pamela Anderson goes, I personally think that cosmetic surgery is barbaric. I think it is potent symbol of bizarre expectations for women that we are perceived as being more successful if we have breasts implanted. My daughter's girlfriend is aneorexic, and may die. She was a pretty, popular, happy and smart child who was afraid that she was not thin enough, although she was absolutely normal. I think that starving to death and slicing up the body are really very sad comments on where women are today. But yes, of course we should be free to be many different kinds of women. Unfortunately, the only "type" which is in vogue, however, looks like Barbie.