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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (599)	3/27/1999 5:26:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 765

Ron, Can those Turkish "Auslanders" receive German citizenship yet? What if they're born in Germany?? According to the germanic blood-and-soil mantra, only 200,000 out of the 2,500,000+ ethnic Turkish living/born in Germany have been granted the German citizenship... Meanwhile, ethnic Germans who are not even fluent in German but whose ancestors emigrated in Russia and Central Europe centuries ago are fully eligible for German citizenship --go figure! Actually, this citizenship issue was a campaign promise of Gerhard Schroeder: when he was still a candidate for Germany's top job, Schroeder said he would push for changing German rules from a ''blood right'' to a ''soil right'', ie a citizenship granted to anyone who's born in Germany, whatever his/her ethnic background. Needless to say that Chancellor Schroeder had to step back from that (touchy) track! Oh well... maybe one day. Never! See Ron, I would re-qualify your remark with this little terse phrase of mine: Americans are racist people who nurse their racism whereas Europeans are repressed xenophobes. Xenophobia is much more insidious than racism because it goes beyond the color line. After all, both Serbs and Albanians are white folks; both Croats and Serbs, and Bosnians speak the same language (ie the Serbo-Croat lingo). Both Flemishes and Walloons are white, mostly catholic, etc. Even North African folks from Morocco, Algeria,... are from a white, Central European descent: the Vandals who, together with the Visigoths, settle in Spain, before crossing the Mediterranean sea and conquering North Africa. That's why you still find today blue-eyed or red-haired people in the Sahara desert... Yet, European bourgeoisies stick to their wild dream of a pure white, christian, prosperous Europe that will prevent (Muslim) Barbarians from crossing the gate! This fortress-minded feeling is even more rooted in Europe's military elites: only viscounts and barons can make it to the top, whether it's France, Germany, Great Britain: General Baron Francois-Xavier de Tartempion, Lt-Col. Lord Henry Blimp or Kolonel von Karajan... You're not gonna see some colored guy whose parents emigrated from Jamaica to the Bronx and who eventually could become Chief of Staff... I'm not naive about the color line in the US though... a few weeks after I left LA in 1992, the so-called LA riots unfolded, forcing President Bush to send in 6,000 soldiers in LA. A curfew was imposed after more than 53 people were killed. If such a racial climax should occur in any major European city it would just trigger a fascistic regime on the spot. That's why I was dwelling on jingoism as a major threat looming around the corner... Regards, Gustave.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (599)	3/27/1999 5:46:00 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 765

"Not to demean Germany.... but I still believe there exists as much racism there as exists here in the US.": More...

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (599)	3/27/1999 7:41:00 AM
From: Eddy Blinker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 765

<Can those Turkish "Auslanders" receive German citizenship yet? What if they're born in Germany?? Oh well... maybe one day.> Ron, Of course they can. <Not to demean Germany.... but I still believe there exists as much racism there as exists here in the US. But those immigrant minorities who have established themselves here as citizens do not face being deported to their country of origin for voicing their dissent.> Racism exists indeed. Not only in Germany but everywhere in the world inclusive in your country as you said yourself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Germany has gone a long way to play a beneficial role in the world since 1945. Never ever a single German men or woman in uniform should have gotten involved in present scenario on the Balkans.But our present political leadership has been cornered by clever political manipulations. In consequence the German population and commerce will,pay a very heavy price for allowing Mr.Genscher, Mr.Kinkel and now Mr.Fisher into the political wheelhouse. Allow me to give all the posters on SI a thoughtful present so you realize the full seriousness of a badly thought out foreign policy. Only by good luck last night 2 or three MIG airplanes were shot down over Bosnia were a few thousand Russian soldiers (peacekeepers) are stationed. Now with all the crimes the man in Belgrad is associated with, it would not be out of question that the target of those airplanes were the camps of those " Russian Peacekeepers ". Do I need to say more other then transmit to you that there is no evil ploy without the pretext angle. NATO MUST STOP THE BOMBING and Your President ought to call without any further delay Mr.Kissinger the only political capable and experienced brain in the present U.S.A, to get everyone out of this mess into which the Lady Professor steered all of us into. And please be quick about it. Regards to all Eddy Blinker