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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (35158)	4/18/1999 12:43:00 PM
From: Edwarda	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Thank you, X, for ratifying what I was trying to say earlier. Message 8987705

To: epicure who wrote (35158)	4/18/1999 1:09:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 108807

"Rapists" who don't get sexually excited and use sticks on women instead of their penises are sadists and violent criminals, but calling them 'rapists' seems more a legal definition than a psychological or physiological one. And it is certainly reasonable to stipulate for purposes of the law that anyone who penetrates anyone else in a bodily orifice with any object whatever is a 'rapist' of that person. But to focus the conversation, let me stipulate that non aroused 'rapists' are not having a sexual experience, as you say, but are having a different sort of violent and criminal one--... ... and focus here on whether the rapist who spots a victim, stalks her with an erection, becomes increasingly aroused as he closes in on her, traps her, terrorizes her (increasing his sexual excitation, because these guys are excited by the fear of their victim,) reaches his point of maximum erection, produces precoital fluid, tears her clothes off or makes her undress, touches her breasts, penetrates her, and comes, sweating and moaning, is having a sexual experience. Okay? Is it too politically incorrect to even look at that question? Couldn't everyone please answer that question just as phrased? Just answer it for that category of rapists I have described in the bolded section. We can talk about other rape scenarios later, because there are many. But please... I am asking those who can bring themselves to, to answer that question, about that category of rapist. I am happy to stipulate that rapists who don't get off aren't having sexual experiences. I think the question is more subtle than that, really; but for purposes of clarifying just where our differences lie, I would like to stipulate that we all agree here that 'rapists' who don't get sexually aroused are not the ones we're talking about. And I would like everyone who thinks rapists whose physiological responses are as described in the bolded para above to answer whether that rapist is having a sexual experience (unlike his cowering, revolted, terrified victim) or not. I am begging everyone for an answer to that simple question. Read the paragraph and tell me that that either is a sexual experience for the rapist, or is not. I am going to post something relevant to this discussion in a few minutes.

To: epicure who wrote (35158)	4/18/1999 1:24:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

This is relevant: Years ago, N. read a couple of articles about rapists. In one, a district attorney, a woman, (he thinks it was Linda Fierstein of NY) stated that one reason it was so hard to catch rapists was that their crime frequently took such a short period of time. This was because their sexual arousal began when they spotted their victim, and as they stalked and closed in on their victim, increased; so that by time they had pounced on the victim, they were so sexually excited that the rape itself, the period when the rapist was in most danger of detection by witnesses, was often over in mere seconds or minutes. The second article told about an effort to treat habitual rapists by operant conditioning. Their penises were fitted with a monitoring device. They would then be shown films or literature depicting violent sex crimes, rapes. When they looked at these violent scenes, they became sexually aroused. As soon as the monitor detected an erection, the incarcerated rapists received an electric shock. The purpose of the electric shock was to de-eroticize violence. So at that time, it hadn't yet been decided that criminal violence was one of the few human behaviors that was incapable of being eroticized. The absurd decision that that was to be declared the case awaited the time of political correctness.