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To: E who wrote (35201)	4/18/1999 6:17:00 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I don't know the answer. I don't know if all fantasizing or action involving violent sex arises from rage or sexual desire. I feel it is a compulsion- and now that I think about it I guess it doesn't matter why. I don't know that anyone knows the answer, now that I understand what you are saying. I wasn't trying to assert there was anything wrong with you, I really didn't understand why this particular point was so important.

To: E who wrote (35201)	4/18/1999 6:28:00 PM
From: George S. Montgomery	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Dear E - It's been eons! I am stepping in for a dance or two. Your post, to which I respond, acts as if the man and the penis were the same thing. I do not believe this is true. I believe there is the man and the woman - and then, there is the penis, which dominates. A cpla weeks ago I told a female colleague (both spelling and appropriateness for a sub-teacher being off-base) that I never understood why adult, accomplished women wore lipstick, in other words: Painted their bodies. Having thrown down this gauntlet (or something sounding like that), I reflected. The answer came. I will never ask the lipstick question again. Women are geneologically set up to ASP - Attract, Select, Procreate. Males, on the same scheme, are to WC - Win (any of a million different contests, maybe against other males, maybe against the woman, whatever), and then Copulate. If Winners Copulate, the species goes on with the fittest doing the selecting. I most devoutly plead against puttint the 'blame' for a penis's actions against the male from which it is growing. (The sumabich just do what it wants, and the poor guy is red-faced, standing in the room there, with all the Attractive Broads - and a bulge appearing in his pants.) I personally acknowledge this domination of the genes - and keep the little bastard as satisfied as he tells me he wants to be. Then, he lets me alone. E, honE, I hope this is not alienating. I speak from a member, not about one. geo

To: E who wrote (35201)	4/19/1999 10:41:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I guess I will try to answer your post just one more time. First of all, a rape IS a sexual act. So I don't think that when you say that the people who disagree with you are saying that rape is NON-SEXUAL, you are really being accurate in representing their views. What I, at least, am saying is that the primary motivation is violation, or violence. In other words, the rapist is motivated primarily by rage of some sort, not sexual excitement. Just because something is politically correct does not always mean that it is inaccurate. Additionally, it seems to me at least that someone who associates sexual pleasure with violating and hurting a woman is not really working from sexual lust as much as his mental pathology. So even his sexual lust is compromised and no longer purely lustful, but filled with anger and violence.