SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Technology Stocks : AUTOHOME, Inc -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: ahhaha who wrote (8465)4/23/1999 4:58:00 AM
From: Peter Y. Hsing  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 29970
 
UMG will reject T's bid, at least for awhile. It may be that UMG's shareholders will revolt and tender their shares, but management must stay the course with Comcast.

Why?

Consider, if ATHM is such a valuable property, then UMG must be also, so management should hold out for a higher bid. It's win-win for them and T's low offer suggests another suitor will come in to make a higher bid. I could see the bidding rise to $150 per share since UMG is probably worth $300.

Not too many companies that can make a bid of that size. It's already larger than CMCSA/K. Then there's the issue of management control, post-merger, in a merger of equals. CMCSA/K definitely has the vision; unfortunately, I don't think they have the means to play against T.

Any chance you could possibly substantiate your valuation of UMG--I don't come close even if I place some "decent" public market value on their share of RR. Have you taken into account that RR doesn't have nearly the potential household reach that ATHM has?

The issues are complex and Rtev has tried to touch upon them. Regulatory issues will now surface because the FCC rulings or non-rulings, call them guidelines, carried the sense that excess concentration by one provider would invite review. T does not need to own facilities in order to provide their service. T should elect to avoid such ownership. To seek it implies they wish inordinate control and that control violates the intent of the FCC which now has purview. As long as T has only incidental ownership of facilities so that significant facilities could be owned by other competitors, no intervention by the FCC would occur.

Despite the heavy regulatory involvement in the telecom/cable industry, I generally hate inflicting brain damage upon myself thinking about these issues. I personally do not believe that a 28% market share would trigger a serious review; again, I also think that with the recent acq of TCI, T has proactively already worked out how might the regulatory auth react. Not worried, in fact looking to go long T, even though T is indicated trading -2 on Instinet a few hours ago.

The implications for ATHM are unclear as they have been since Comcast made the silent break. Certainly the shares will rise, but a bidding war could mute any advance and the eventual outcome could be quite negative. There is no point in speculating about these matters since they are immensely complex with many eddies and cross currents. About the only right move available is to own any cable stock, or is it?

I don't see how CMCSA/K has the resources to top T's offer. Not inconceivable, but a stretch--they'd have to give up a lot of control over the resultant, merged company.

Dave Horne keeps telling me that COX is the one to buy. I keep hearing that DSL is gaining on us so I don't want to look backward. If COX jumps in order to strut for tender and DSL makes the intermediate market sing while all the boys are bidding for video dreams, things could slow down a lot down At Home. Then there's always NEM and ABX. You guys like 'Bugs don't you? I like that, 'Bugs@Home.

No view on Cox and not a gold bug either.




To: ahhaha who wrote (8465)4/23/1999 5:20:00 AM
From: KW Wingman  Respond to of 29970
 
<<<UMG will reject T's bid, at least for awhile.>>>

Yes, I can see UMG playing hard to get. I will be smiling big time if UMG can get more money per share as long as "T" wins in the end. I have 500 shares of UMG but I have a lot more XCIT and I think this deal is great for ATHM/XCIT/T. I own shares of "T",Cox,UMG and TWX in addition to ATHM and XCIT. I decided that it was a good idea to buy the cable companies a few weeks ago. I got to thinking about investing in the cable companies because of something you said.
Anyway, thanks for spurring my brain cell into action. <:}

The cable companies have been moving up nicely. Until today, I believe COX has been outperforming the others price wise. This news has to be good for all the cable companies stock price at least in the short term.

You wrote: "There is no point in speculating about these matters since they are immensely complex with many eddies and cross currents." I agree 100% but it is fun to speculate sometimes even though it may be pointless. At the end of the day, we will have to wait and see what the next day will bring. At this time it looks very good for ATHM to me.

I don't know no nothing about those Damn Bugs@Home

Have a nice day tomorrow,

Wingman




To: ahhaha who wrote (8465)4/23/1999 11:17:00 AM
From: Jing Qian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 29970
 
Ahhaha, I like your unconventional thought as usual.

My thought on this:
1) UMG should take T's offer if they are pragmatic capitalists, unless they have a higher strategic reason to combine with CMCSK that they think can make them more money or have more leverage in the long run.
So far, I don't see it's more advantageous for UMG to work with CMCSK than with AT&T. Only if I don't see something you see.

2) T must buy UMG but not Cox. Buying UMG means buying Road Runner, one stone hitting two birds. Owning Road Runner makes it easier for a eventual merger of RR/ATHM which serves better for AT&T.

3) To Armstrong, regulatory issue doesn't seem as threatening as you think to prevent him from establishing a stronger market position. Armstrong must have calculated the risk of this move and concluded that the benefit far outweigh the risk.



To: ahhaha who wrote (8465)4/23/1999 11:46:00 AM
From: Frank A. Coluccio  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 29970
 
"T does not need to own facilities in order to provide their service. T should elect to avoid such ownership."

In some cases I agree. This was one of the potential elements of discussion I had in mind when I posted:

Message 9090439

The pricing elements have changed since T earlier decided to take their business elsewhere, due to the egregious wholesale costs imposed by the reebocs previously. If T elects to go back to reeboc resale in those areas where they cannot take cable, they will elevate DSL to new heights.

Now here's a strange and twisted pair, isn't it? T could find itself cohabitating a copper pair with AOL, at the subscriber's preference.



To: ahhaha who wrote (8465)4/23/1999 10:01:00 PM
From: Educator  Respond to of 29970
 
Ahhaha- Welcome back...I think. With you comes controversy. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. I guess the debate is good.

I couldn't believe the number of posts when I got home. For goodness sakes, if we keep this up we will surpass even the Dell thread. Naw...I don't think that's possible.

Anyway, I read one of your posts that I wanted to respond to (a recent one). I searched, but can't find it. I'm a little pooped from my week at work. You mentioned that competition is good and you don't see any great benefit from a merger of ATHM and RR. Bigger is not necessarily better. Competition breeds innovation and keeps a company on its toes. Is that basically what you are saying?

I owned Eagle Garden & Hardware (EAGL) at one time. I have never shopped in one of their stores, but everything I read about the company was positive. I marveled their devotion to customer service, employee training and merit pay programs, and all the items a "do it yourself" homeowner could want in one location. This company was clearly positioning itself on the west coast, and rapidly moving east. I had a sizeable position in the company and was tickled pink with it's rosy future. They were giving Home Depot, Payless, and others a real run-for-their-money. Market share was increasing at a brisk pace. Guess what happened? Lowes (LOW) also saw Eagle's development and potential. Eagle was a small fish that had outgrown its aquarium, pond, and was now finding a lake to reside in. Lowes clearly saw 'competition'. It also viewed a way to get a foothold on the west coast. Not only could Lowes erase the Eagle competition, but more importantly gain on Home Depot's number one position. Many viewed Lowe's move as brilliant and necessary.

Isn't that what T is doing? Maybe I'm comparing apples to oranges. Regardless of the UMG deal, ATHM will be competitive. They have a jump on RR and are a clear force in broadband. Many have expressed that a relationship with RR will only make ATHM a "bigger" fish, able to better battle other competitive forces like DSL for example. I am not as worried about RR as much as I am about other high speed avenues. As you all have pointed out in your posts, DSL and cable are constantly being compared. The "my dad is bigger than your dad" (cable vs. DSL) is everywhere you turn. Will both win, or is there only room for one?

Ahhaha, I would also like to know who you think might be a possible suitor for UMG? I believe you are right on this one, and it didn't occur to me. It seems natural that Comcast would attempt a pooling of investors for at least an upping of the ante. Time will surely tell.

I am exhausted and only pray that my comments make some sense. After a week with the kids, my mind is a blur.

Have a good weekend all!

Ed