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Politics : Did Slick Boink Monica? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: lorrie coey who wrote (20163)	4/28/1999 11:43:00 PM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20981

Now Lorrie, you are the Queen of Rationalization. I've never seen the like. Hunting is not wrong. Period. Not until we've achieved some kind of silica-based life form like the ones in the old Star Trek shows. Catch and release is not wrong either. Lying is wrong. Which brings us full circle to the salient question: Did he or didn't he? You know, our illustrious benefactor and Miss What's-her-name. One other thing that's wrong: Trying to impose on me what's right for you. I don't tell Pezz he can't catch and release so he doesn't go out in a Bunny suit and interfere with my hunt. Right Pezz? You know what's really a dirty joke, Lorrie? Eating a hamburger at McDonald's on your way to the parade. You're a vegetarian? I'm a carrot, and I don't like you one bit. I don't think the microorganisms that gave themselves up for me like me too much either.

To: lorrie coey who wrote (20163)	4/29/1999 12:04:00 AM
From: ManyMoose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20981

I'm going to settle this abortion question once and for all: A minister, a priest and a rabbi were discussing when life begins. "Those of my faith," said the minister, "believe that life starts when the heart begins to beat." "We take a bit of a different view," said the priest, "in that we believe life starts at the moment of conception." "Well," said the rabbi, "it is our belief that life starts when the kids move out and the dog dies." The rabbi is right.

To: lorrie coey who wrote (20163)	4/29/1999 1:53:00 AM
From: pezz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20981

Lorrie. I learned to fish as a very young boy.My dad used to take me to a place called Pine Lake and I would catch sunnies and throw them back. One day I told dad that I wanted to take one home to keep as a pet. In his wisdom he agreed and I brought the sunny home in a coffee can. It of course died in a very short time. A sad little boy learned a very valuable lesson about living things that day.My great love of the out doors kept me fishing catch and release long before it was popular.I turned to fly fishing when, believe it or not, the idea of torturing the worms got to me. Believe me impaling a worm on a hook and dangling it out in front of a predator is indeed torture. Something I felt guilty about for many years.To this day some times on a rainy night I walk outside in the rain and rescue worms that have crawled onto the street and throw them onto a lawn or such. I hope that by the time I die that I will have rescued as many worms that I tortured to death. I believe as I suspect you do that "man" has some evolutionary induced instinct to hunt [fishing being the same ]We get enjoyment from the hunt much like One of Michelles cats. I can't deny this. Fly fishing catch and release with barbless hooks is the best I can do to still satisfy the itch and keep my conscience clear. I know that the Trout don't enjoy this experience but I am convinced that with proper release procedure they are none the worse for wear. <<Rationalize. Justify...>> When Dave refers to eating his prey he gives him self away.Clearly in a modern world this has no relevance. He knows this, but it is the best he can do. Better that he comes to grip with the truth.Hunting or fishing is something he does for pleasure and feeding him self has nothing to do with it. The predator prey relationship is not pretty but it is real and the entire biology of the planet has evolved around it.We are the top of the food chain and as such we do have every right to take prey animals.[Personaly I have no stomach for killing but pass no judgement as of course I am not a vegetarian.] but the game has changed due to the nature of our dominance.I believe as I have said on many occasion that we have been granted steward ship over this planet and it's living things. As such our taking of prey animals must be limited to those that are in abundant supply as compared with their natural place in the ecosystem.There are just too many of us to take prey as our ancestors once did.Unfortunately some like Dave are not convinced and as a result have an exaggerated impression of their "right" to take these animals.This is evidenced by his disdain for those who would dare to "interfere" with his legal but questionable moral right to do so......... Sorry to be so long winded but this is my subject. pez