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To: Don Martini who wrote (25359)5/8/1999 3:51:00 PM
From: PROLIFE  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Don,

I find your comment interesting:

I await your answers from scripture alone.

Yet your own sect will require you NOT to depend on the bible alone but your own "" faithful and discreet slave org. "".

watchtower?

prophets?

dan



To: Don Martini who wrote (25359)5/8/1999 11:46:00 PM
From: Robert E. Hall  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 39621
 
Greetings Don, and to all who love the Lord Jesus Christ. Thank you for your response, however it is impossible for us at this time to discuss the Word of God and reach a mutual understanding of scriptures since you have not received " Eternal life " by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit of God, which all born again believers in Christ receive. You Don, are a natural man, void of the Holy Spirit of the Father, but very much gifted with natural talents, who has laboured in futility for 60 years or more preaching another gospel of self rightousness by your works. How tragic to see and hear that. You have been Blinded by satan according to 2 Cor. 4:3-4, " But even if our Gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose MINDS the god of this age has BLINDED, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. Open your heart Don, not your mind to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit who will glorify the Lord Jesus Christ and show you the eternal Gospel, that you might be saved and have a true relationship with Almighty God. We believers in Christ are looking for the " blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ " ( Titus 2:13 ), "not by works of rightousness which we have done , but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour. Cleary these and many other scriptures teach there is one God and Saviour, Jesus Christ. I sincerly join with many brothers in Christ to ask the Eternal Father to grant you to see and receive the Eternal Son by the workings of His Holy Spirit. Robert



To: Don Martini who wrote (25359)5/9/1999 1:55:00 PM
From: O'Hara  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 39621
 
†...Good afternoon Don...†

Don, as a servant of God the Father, and as an eternal student of His most Holy and revealing word, I was moved by the Holy Sprirt of God to answer your questions according to the light of Jesus the Christ His loving and most precious Son,and my Lord and Saviour.

Taking into consideration the limited understanding of mankind as it relates especially to those things of God, the following is a fairly accurate definition of Trinity....If it could be defined at all here on earth....Or.... comprehended at all in the flesh. We are such finite creatures.

TRINITY — The unity of the Godhead.
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit together as one, united in one all encompassing power.

The doctrine of the trinity means that within the being and activity of the one God there are three distinct persons:
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
The word trinity does not, as I am sure you know, appear in the Bible, however, the trinitarian formula is spoken of in the Great Commission (Matt. 28:19) and in the benediction of the apostle Paul's Second Epistle to the Corinthians (2 Cor. 13:14).

In Deut. 6:4 God reveals Himself as one to the Israelites, and this was a truly significant truth because the surrounding nations were deep into idolatry and serving many gods. They relished worshipping the creation and not the creator. Rom.1:18-25
However, when the fullness of time had come, Paul said (Gal.4:4)
God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law.
In the New Testament, God revealed that He is not only one... but a Holy, eternal family of persons— a triune family of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who are one in will, purpose, power, righteousness and love

This relationship of Father and Son is prominent in the gospels as Jesus, the eternal Son is sent by God, conceived by the Holy Spirit, and takes on human flesh. He is most visible to us as we can see touch and hear Him, and He most certainly without question strikes that responsive chord through the Father/Son relationship.
Even so the presence and divine nature of the Holy Spirit is in the background, serving as our eyes of faith.

This unity of One God in three divine persons is portrayed by Jesus' trinitarian teaching (John 14–16). The truth of this humanly incomprehensible divine nature of God, is expressed in the total ministry of Jesus as recorded in all four gospels, as well as the rest of the teaching in the New Testament.

The Holy and distinctive characteristics of the three divine persons of the Godhead is their selfless love for one another. Each esteems and defers to the other.
God the Father gives all authority to God the Son , as well as bears witness to Him, as does Jesus to Himself (John 8:18). Yet the Son claims nothing for Himself; He gives all glory to the Father who has sent Him (John 12:49–50).

The Trinity was at work in the incarnation of Jesus, the Son of the Most High, as He was conceived in the womb of Mary by the power of the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:30–35). At His baptism Jesus the Son received approval from the Father in the presence of the Holy Spirit (Luke 3:21–22), fulfilling two Old Testament prophetic passages (Ps. 2:7; Is. 42:1). The Trinity was also present in the temptation, as Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, was led by the Spirit for 40 days in the wilderness. Even the devil recognized Jesus as the Son of God (Luke 4:3), but he tried to destroy the faithful relationship of the divine Godhead.

Consider also Luke 4:18 and that it was fulfilled by Jesus Himself. Even there, the divine Godhead was at work already.
Consider also Luke 9:35 where the voice of God was heard approving of and endorsing His Son.
Consider Luke 10:21-22, wherein Jesus proclaimed to have received all things from the Father...And thanked Him
He also proclaimed to be acting in the place of the Father and through the Holy Spirt's power,(which can be translated and in fact is..the finger of God) Matt.12:28; Luke 11:20
Consider also the cleansing of the Temple: Luke 19:45-46, This act parallels His love and concern, even as a child, for His Father's most holy house, Luke 2:41-51.

Also Don let it be known that, following His resurrection a further manifestation of Jesus's knowledge and witness to His authority, given to Him by the Father, could be testified to in His words to His disciples "Behold, I send the promise of My Father upon you" (Luke 24:49).
He later told them to wait until they were empowered by the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5, 8). Jesus claimed His Sonship not only from David but from David's Lord (Matt. 22:42–45), indicating His deity.

Consider also Matt.28:19

The fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy as divine human spokesman for the Godhead, (Acts 1:4–8) occurred on the day of Pentecost. This continued throughout the Book of Acts when the Holy Spirit of God inspired Peter and the apostles to preach a trinitarian gospel of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.. One Holy and divine Godhead. (Acts 2:32–33; 5:29–32; 10:38).
Consider also if you will Paul's teachings to the Galatians,
speaking often of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Gal. 3:13–14; 4:6; 5:5–6, 22–24).

The key to unlocking the mystery of the trinity is to observe how the 3 divine persons of the Godhead give themselves to one another in selfless love. They are always at one another's disposal.
The Father serves the Son; the Son serves the Father; Father and Son defer to the Holy Spirit, who in turn, serves and defers to the Father and Son in a oneness. ...The divine Godhead!

I do not post this info. as an opening for debate,I will not argue with these divine and holy fact facts. I post it only as informational..... in the case you care to study further.

I will attempt to answer your other questions today...time permitting

Have a good day,
Shalom...><>



To: Don Martini who wrote (25359)5/9/1999 7:55:00 PM
From: O'Hara  Read Replies (6) | Respond to of 39621
 
†...Good evening Don...†

As to your first question;

1. Define the Trinity.
Message 9421230

2. Explain how Jesus has a God.
Please refer me to the scripture where you claim this is written

3. Explain the New Heavens & New Earth. Isa 65:17, 66:22, 2 Pet 3:13, Rev.21:1-5.
If you understood it as new heaven age and new earth age, you would be able to comprehend it as it was meant to be.
There are three of them, we are living in the second earth age. And actually should have included many more scriptures than you have. Even as to 2 Peter 3. Starting at v.5 would make the understanding of these sayings much more simple. A thorough and complete study of Jeremiah 4 would be a good start.
Consider even Ephesians 1:1-11 Very revealing indeed! And most helpful in comprehending these 3 world ages and heaven ages!

This is quite a lengthy and detailed study of my Father's word and not one, not even ten long posts could even begin to do it justice. But if you are sincerely interested, which I can only assume that you are, then I am confident you will pray the Holy Spirit of God to give you the uction, and all will be made clear.

4. Do all the saved go to heaven?
This question is a bit flawed in that all who have already died in the flesh, are now in heaven awaiting the judgment. It also does not speak to the millions more who have yet to experience the death of the flesh. All will appear before God on judgment day, which of course will not take place until all be fulfilled.
But the simple answer is:
Rev 20:15
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

5. Do you preach house to house? Acts 5:42
I do as my Lord and Saviour has commanded;
Matt 28:19-20
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

6. Who are children and sinners that die in the New Earth? Isa 65:20?
Don your understanding of Isaiah 65 is thoroughly flawed and therefore the premise of your question is without merit.
It is but a Hebreism meaning that no child will any longer die in the flesh, and more specifically will no child die in the flesh as an infant, as is so much the case today in this world.This applies to both the born Born and unborn!
Is.65:17 through the end teaches of the millennium( The thousand year reign of Christ) and the third heaven age. One misreads and misinterpret all of I saiah 65 if one does not know from the start that this is what is being taught.
Consider Paul's vision. 2Col.12:22
There are many who will experience the second death at the end of the millennium, however, none of those will be innocent children.

7. Do you pay your preacher, and give him a title? [Reverend, etc?] Ps 111:9 Mt.10:8

I am sorry Don, but whether or not I tithe, and how much I do is only the business of God my Father.
And as to titles...I give no man any title. and specifically as to reverend.....There is only one reverend, He is the only one worthy to be revered, there is none like Him. He is God Almighty.

8.How do you abstain from blood, as Acts 15: 28-9 commands?
By not eating uncooked meats, or the meat of animals that were slaughtered by strangulation and not bled. Consider the times in which this was written and the warnings therein. It also focused on the apostles as to their going among the gentiles and teaching them in their ways and how not to cause anyone to stumble.
Don, that teaching has nothing at all to do with a life-saving transfusion. That is clearly not at all the subject. The basics to any comprehension of any reading at all...no matter the book...must be to have a working knowledge of at least a minimum...the subject being spoken of. If one cannot identify the subject matter...one is completely lost,and will never understand what is even being spoken of.

Don I have spent a good deal on these question for your benefit, however I discern, you may not have asked them for your benefit.
I do not intend to debate any of these truths. My intentions are as originally stated, this info. was provided to you as merely a means of information. I also believe that Robert might have taken the correct approach in this matter. I went out on a limb only for the sake of Christ my saviour.!

The word of God is not up for grabs.
2 Pet 1:20
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

And of course we must always be diligent in rightly dividing the word of truth.

I discern something familiar about you. Have you been here before, possibly under a different alias?

Have a good evening
Shalom...><>

Prov 25:2
2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.