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To: Neocon who wrote (2760)	5/11/1999 10:33:00 PM
From: Daniel W. Koehler	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 13060

Neocon <<Dave, I am an internationalist, not an isolationist, and therefore I find our alliance system justified, and the use of force at times justified>> You seem to take US internationalist policy as axiomatic. What are then the guidelines for us intervening in foreign conflicts? Why is NATO acting preemptively instead of defensively? Why is the "humanitarian intervention" rationale apropos in Kosovo but not in Rwanda? How is it that during the first 150 years of our Republic we were economic free traders but military noninterventionists? Seemed to work pretty well according to LP historian Ralph Raico. Oh, I guess we probably should have intervened in the Franco-Prussian War based on our historic fealty with France. Why are you an internationalist? Do you feel we should give more government know-it-all busybodies a forum to meddle in other countries' affairs? I would submit that the LP principle of never using force unless theatened directly would be more conservative approach to this problem. Ciao, Daniel

To: Neocon who wrote (2760)	5/20/1999 9:55:00 PM
From: Dave Reed	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13060

I got this handy list from the Advocates for Self Government (http://www.self-gov.org). I used it to test your theory that the Republicans are less likely to bomb other countries than the Democrats. You are right, the Republicans seem to have a slight edge. Dave --------- Here's a list of the countries that the U.S. has bombed since the end of World War II, compiled by historian William Blum, author of "Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II." China 1945-46 Korea and China 1950-53 Guatemala 1954 Indonesia 1958 Cuba 1959-60 Guatemala 1960 Congo 1964 Peru 1965 Laos 1964-73 Vietnam 1961-73 Cambodia 1969-70 Guatemala 1967-69 Grenada 1983 Lebanon 1983, 1984 Libya 1986 El Salvador 1980s Nicaragua 1980s Panama 1989 Iraq 1991-99 Kuwait 1991 Somalia 1993 Bosnia 1994, 1995 Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia 1999