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123457<< Doug, to repeat again, pins just can't be that expensive, the pin cthat_crazy_doug-9/1/2000
123456<i>Derek Blackall, from the UK's Civil Aviation Authority, said Concortejek-9/1/2000
123455Doug, to repeat again, pins just can't be that expensive, the pin count on mDaniel Schuh-9/1/2000
123454"Just kidding...No insult intended..." No problem...I hope that year Cory Gault-9/1/2000
123453<< Two DDR SDRAM "channels" will cost a boat-load of pins, not jthat_crazy_doug-9/1/2000
123452Ted, Some frightening news about the airlines: <i>Derek Blackall, from tScumbria-9/1/2000
123451Ted, a couple points (or counterpoints): As I've stated before, the marketiDaniel Schuh-9/1/2000
123450But a dual DDR channel architecture is exactly what NVidia has chosen to do withcombjelly-9/1/2000
123449<i>I think Willy will run about 20-30% slower than Athlon at the same clocTechieGuy-alt-9/1/2000
123448Ted, ree: "<i>However I wonder with the focus so much on speed, thatRoad Walker-9/1/2000
123447<i>ted, the #1 design goal of the P4 was high clock speed. This has nothintejek-9/1/2000
123446Scumbria, Thanks for your comments. I never thought Willy could kill AMD...AMD tejek-9/1/2000
123445ted, the #1 design goal of the P4 was high clock speed. This has nothing to do wPetz-9/1/2000
123444Ted, I think Willy will run about 20-30% slower than Athlon at the same clock sScumbria-9/1/2000
123443<i>Willy should do well. Not as good as Sledgehammer, though.</i> Stejek-9/1/2000
123442<i>Ted when AMD was in the 90's pre-split we never got the volume you tejek-9/1/2000
123441Ted, <i>I expect that applications like streaming video and audio will grScumbria-9/1/2000
123440<i>Willy will be a very good SSE2 game/graphics machine.</i> Scumbrtejek-9/1/2000
123439Ted when AMD was in the 90's pre-split we never got the volume you said we&#eplace-9/1/2000
123438Ted, <i>"So powerful is the (P4) chip that by just touching the screScumbria-9/1/2000
123437Kash, Thanks for your view. tedtejek-9/1/2000
123436<i>I think most on the Intel thread are still in shell shock over the recatejek-9/1/2000
123435<i>Last ditch effort. Unfortunately, I checked thesaurus.com and the word tejek-8/31/2000
123434<i>I'm not sure why the lesson should be specific to shorts. Be it a ltejek-8/31/2000
123433Watson, <i>Do you really believe that or do you know some of the people iScumbria-8/31/2000
123432What about the design facility in Dresden? What is it doing? Milomilo_morai-8/31/2000
123431Er, which post? You mean Message 14312106, where you double things because the ADaniel Schuh-8/31/2000
123430>Sure, vvga. I'm used to Rambusian arithmetic, along will >all the othvvga-8/31/2000
123429>Hmm. Are you sure your calculation are accurate? Here is >what I math outvvga-8/31/2000
123428>Im going to go out on the edge here and assert that pins >are somewhat irvvga-8/31/2000
123427Cory: Just kidding...No insult intended... I'm still way, way onside with niceguy767-8/31/2000
123426<i>The Austin design center is designing the next generation x86 cores. ThTHE WATSONYOUTH-8/31/2000
123425Kash, I was going to respond to your post before. It's a good reflection ofRoad Walker-8/31/2000
123424<i>The 8K 2-cycle cache is really a mystery. The small cache hurts IPC andporn_start878-8/31/2000
123423"Then there'd be even more reason to dispose of Cory (and we really donCory Gault-8/31/2000
123422Ted, re: differing opinions on PIV Sure everything is speculation of course. kash johal-8/31/2000
123421John, The Austin design center is designing the next generation x86 cores. ThaScumbria-8/31/2000
123420Scumbria, re: "<i>I disagree. Like Itanium, P4 is more like a technoRoad Walker-8/31/2000
123419John, <i>the P4 is a long term product that will be very successful.</Scumbria-8/31/2000
123418Ted, re: <i>I don't follow the Intel thread closely; is there a generRoad Walker-8/31/2000
123417Jim: Then there'd be even more reason to dispose of Cory (and we really donniceguy767-8/31/2000
123416> > unfiguroutable > JC, > Literary license...or the product of a tejcholewa-8/31/2000
123415RE:"Personally speaking on behalf of my special interest group "the liJim McMannis-8/31/2000
123414Dan: Personally speaking on behalf of my special interest group "the livinCory Gault-8/31/2000
123413"Let this be a lesson to all you short traders!!" Like the lesson forchris431-8/31/2000
123412<i>And I agree, the smell of marketing is all over this chip. Intel is thitejek-8/31/2000
123411Ted, <i>I know that you have't actually played with the chip so I am Scumbria-8/31/2000
123410RE:"OT: It's not exactly unusual for Democrats in an election year to rJim McMannis-8/31/2000
123409OT: It's not exactly unusual for Democrats in an election year to run scaredDaniel Schuh-8/31/2000
123408RE:"OT: Jeez, Jim. This "Death Tax" business is right up there wiJim McMannis-8/31/2000
123407<i>Are you saying the design changes coupled with the process transition wtejek-8/31/2000
123406Ted, <i>Are you saying the design changes coupled with the process transiScumbria-8/31/2000
123405<i>Add a few more functional units, put it on a 0.13µ copper process tejek-8/31/2000
123404Dan, re P4, ><i>we'll just have to wait for the real numbers. </Tony Viola-8/31/2000
123403OT: Jeez, Jim. This "Death Tax" business is right up there with anotDaniel Schuh-8/31/2000
123402I read that, Tony, and being on a posting binge, I replied to it too. DeMone seDaniel Schuh-8/31/2000
123401Dan, funny thing, but I read this Paul Damone defense of the P4, including the 2Tony Viola-8/31/2000
123400I'm certainly agreed on the speculation, Tony. But the 2x ALU is supposedlyDaniel Schuh-8/31/2000
123399Scumbria, You must be proud that Clinton just vetoed the Death Tax bill... JimJim McMannis-8/31/2000
123398Daniel, ><i>The one thing that's a real head scratcher is putting tTony Viola-8/31/2000
123397Petz, the P4, while just coming to market, isn't exactly a new design. It wDaniel Schuh-8/31/2000
123396John, re: <i>Add a few more functional units, put it on a 0.13µ coppRoad Walker-8/31/2000
123395John, <i>Add a few more functional units, put it on a 0.13µ copper pScumbria-8/31/2000
123394Breaking news from SI..BC: A suspect in the EMLX hoax has been arrested, I repetejek-8/31/2000
123393John, I'm not saying that Intel's engineers are incompetent, just theirScumbria-8/31/2000
123392John, I think P4's design is a mixture of sound engineering questionable marPetz-8/31/2000
123391Scumbria, I don't know an ALU from a IPC. I have more of a marketing type mRoad Walker-8/31/2000
123390<i>re P4 design approach I think you may have a point here.</I> Katejek-8/31/2000
123389John, re P4 design approach I think you may have a point here. Most desktop akash johal-8/31/2000
123388Ted, <i>Are you being facetious, or is the general sentiment of the tech Scumbria-8/31/2000
123387<i>Willy will be a very cool SSE2 game machine. It appears to be a total ltejek-8/31/2000
123386John, Do you remember the early Alpha's with the 8K caches. The performancScumbria-8/31/2000
123385John, <i>Why do you suppose the die size suddenly grew at least 20%? <Scumbria-8/31/2000
123384OK, understood, so the pipeline assumes the best case (data in L1) otherwise it Petz-8/31/2000
123383John, P4 is clearly based on some very sound concepts. The deep pipeline, goodScumbria-8/31/2000
123382<i>unfiguroutable</i> JC, Literary license...or the product of a ttejek-8/31/2000
123381<i>Big difference between what is necessary and what one may think is necetejek-8/31/2000
123380Scumbria, Just thinking out load here. Suppose when Intel was designing the P4,Road Walker-8/31/2000
123379John, <i>After all, with the deep pipeline, you probably have some extra Scumbria-8/31/2000
123378<The small L1 cache on Willy is a joke.> OK, but is a large L1 data cache Petz-8/31/2000
123377John, The small L1 cache on Willy is a joke. Combined with the very deep pipelScumbria-8/31/2000
123376Unfortunately for Intel, P4 wasn't designed for the X-box. EOMPetz-8/31/2000
123375Scumbria, you seem to have become more convinced that P4 performance will be pooPetz-8/31/2000
123374JC, here's some sort-of proof for the "pins don't matter" arguPetz-8/31/2000
123373RE:"Willy will be a very cool SSE2 game machine. It appears to be a total lJim McMannis-8/31/2000
123372Re: <i>Willy will be a very cool SSE2 game machine. It appears to be a totchic_hearne-8/31/2000
123371Chic, <i>The only idea of true overall perfomance would be to lump all thScumbria-8/31/2000
123370Chic, From south San Jose, 280 is almost always faster than 101. ScumbriaScumbria-8/31/2000
123369Re: <i>Hi. Are you assuming Mustang or T-Bird core for 1.3 GHz? In any caschic_hearne-8/31/2000
123368Scumbria, Would you still recommend 280 over 101 for an 11:30am flight today ouchic_hearne-8/31/2000
123367<i>I guess it must be asking too much of AMD and Intel to be more concernef.simons-8/31/2000
123366Hi. Are you assuming Mustang or T-Bird core for 1.3 GHz? In any case, unless youdale_laroy-8/31/2000
123365> sorry for making you think that I criticized this much estimated page No pjcholewa-8/31/2000
123364Chic, <i>My WAG is that a Willy at 1.5 Ghz will equal a 1.3 Ghz Athlon ifScumbria-8/31/2000
123363JC (oupss!), Err.... there was a typo in the sentence, I meant : it's dateporn_start878-8/31/2000
123362that_crazy_doug Re>>>><<<b>Either way, if Rambus offershmaly-8/31/2000
123361> Pins baby... I'm going to go out on the edge here and assert that pinsjcholewa-8/31/2000
123360JC, somewhat in counterpoint to the following: <i> But even that Daniel Schuh-8/31/2000
123359> This from JC's : > it's dated 21th of July... so too old > CRjcholewa-8/31/2000
123358> Yea, that sounds really great, but it is primarily due to the 4x faster BUSjcholewa-8/31/2000
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