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To: C.K. Houston who wrote (7801)8/7/1999 12:34:00 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9818
 
FWIW, I've been reading a variety of numbers on this thread re water consumption. The numbers aren't always clear about what is required for consumption vs. other uses, so I thought I'd check it out myself. Found this on the FEMA site:

"A normally active person needs to drink at least two quarts of water each day. Hot environments can double that amount."

fema.gov

Karen



To: C.K. Houston who wrote (7801)8/7/1999 2:45:00 PM
From: bearcub  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 9818
 
c.k.h. (alias ron?) your post re katadyn water filter has many glaring ommissions, such as you refused to mention $ AND availability. since each 'survival outfitter' only has what they have on hand, and since the WORLD is operating on JIT, each retailer has to divide their inventory dollars amongst a great many products, these filters are KNOWN to be in extremely short supply, even if still available, and it is ONLY AUGUST 7.

furthermore, one cannot tell from a website who actually has them in inventory and available for IMMEDIATE shipment, and who doesn't. what current katadyn shoppers are finding is this: shipment promised but in actuality it takes 8 weeks IF THEN to get your hands on one of these things, and it has been that way for months.

the u.s. postal service amended regulation stating that either the product is shipped or MONEY MUST BE REFUNDED WITHIN 7 DAYS OF RECEIPT OF SAID MONIES, is being flagrantly flaunted by water filter retailers in particular. same goes for ebay katadyn et al water filtration providers.

as far as the pricing you refused to mention, for this "simple purification device," i'll happily post them. be sure and listen to the collective gasp, especially since their initial cost is prohibitive to most american's pricing structure for y2k preparations.

remember, ckh, this is just ONE of the several items one must have on hand.

let's get real practical here: how long do you think you'll be able to stand dirty underwear, before using some of your 'handpumped' katadyn purified water to clean up in? and last time i looked, it takes both a soaking, spotting, washing and rinsing and sometimes a second washing and rinsing just to remove ordinary stains in undergarments. have you stashed good old P&G lava soap? that works!

and the poor 13-50 something feminine population who is still experiencing menses? better quadruple that 2 gal a day average per person. so, you are still taking about on 55 gal drum per person per month. you don't think men who have to suddenly trod to and from the military provided water trucks for their family's daily water requirement are NOT going to want clean socks? or clean shorts?

and how about those with babies. do you think all these young mothers can afford $249 for a katadyn water filter, PLUS SPEND ALL THAT TIME pumping the durn thing while little one is screaming bloody murder for their popped diaper pen to be removed from their fleshy thigh?

have you ever used one of these things you are recommending? i thought not.

Pricing

Description
Price

Description
Price
Katadyn Pocket filter
$249.00

Spare Element
$165.00
Katadyn Combi Filter
$159.00

Spare Element
$75.00
Katadyn Expedition Filter
$1143.00

Spare Element
$90.00
Katadyn Drip Filter
$275.00

Spare Element
$75.00
Katadyne Siphon Filter
$100.00

Spare Element
$75.00
Katadyn Combi carbon pk.
$19.00



British Berkefeld "Big Berkey"
$279.00

Spare Elements 9"(single)
Spare Elements 9"(per 4)
$42.00
$150.00
NSA™ 144DW well water filter
$call for pricing

that's all for now...

just give the whole picture, ckh. PS...do you even KNOW how many gallons most folks bathtubs even hold? what if little Johnny decides to play 'teach the tonka truck to swim?' in the family's water supply?

the permutations of actually flippers meeting the waves (corollary to 'rubber meets the road' is mind boggling to a society who hasn't carried water for daily needs since the late 1800s.

$249 katadyn (PLUS SHIPPING) my foot! we still have to find the water to purify. where is it coming from after i we all rush out and buy one of these things?



To: C.K. Houston who wrote (7801)8/7/1999 4:30:00 PM
From: ANGELIQUE LEE  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9818
 
Cheryl, Thanks for clarifying Ron's original statements, I knew they were somewhere on the thread but didn't have the time to dig. Also, thanks for posting the links on water filters and how much water is REALLY necessary.

Angelique



To: C.K. Houston who wrote (7801)8/7/1999 7:38:00 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 9818
 
You made an excellent point early last month, that many who are storing water may have not considered ....

Wait, CK... Are you positive that it was "I" who stated something so common-sensical??

Bearcub either doesn't seem to remember my stating that, or I guess he was too busy harrassing and haranguing me to notice.

I mean he wouldn't intentionally misrepresent the truth, would he?

<VBG>

Thanks for finding that.

Btw, the Times only covered that incident with the DC "water people" in a VERY small paragraph. I think someone is embarrassed... :0)

And what is even funnier is that those people apparently lived in or quite near Rock Creek part (you remember? Down there near Georgetown?) which has a very nice stream flowing throw it 365 days a year (even with this drought our here).

Couldn't they have avoided all of this with moderate storage capacity and a nice Katadyn water filter?

Regards,

Ron



To: C.K. Houston who wrote (7801)8/8/1999 9:37:00 AM
From: Rarebird  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9818
 
Y2K supply chain problems.....................

To: Rarebird (43766 )
From: John Rieman Sunday, Aug 8 1999 9:04AM ET
Reply # of 43771

mercurycenter.com

Posted at 3:23 p.m. PDT Saturday, August 7, 1999

Y2K bug in Asia poses risks for U.S. firms
Chart: Is the world ready for Y2K?
BY ILAN GREENBERG
Mercury News Staff Writer

SILICON VALLEY firms have received kudos from Y2K bug watchers for their efforts to eliminate the dangers of a disaster scenario from their operations, both locally and worldwide. But that doesn't mean they'll be in the clear on New Year's Eve.

Vital links in the manufacturing chain that feed the international production base of these high technology multinationals are at risk, analysts say, especially where component production and assembly have been farmed out to independent contractors and suppliers in Asia. Many of these developing countries are seriously out of compliance with international standards for Y2K preparedness.

A survey announced by the World Bank at the beginning of the year monitoring Y2K preparedness in 139 developing countries found only 54 countries had initiated national Y2K policies, and just 21 reported concrete remedial steps to combat the millennium bug. ''This is a global problem affecting not only industrial countries which are highly dependent on computers but developing countries as well,' warned James Bond, the World Bank official in charge of the institution's Y2K compliance program.

The situation has since improved somewhat, but several key production markets in Asia -- including Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand -- continue to lag behind in preparedness, experts say.

The alarming tone taken by the World Bank and others is at odds with the tech industry's reliance on Asian suppliers. ''We have a very high degree of confidence that we won't have problems in our Asian plants,' said Scott Allen, spokesman for chip maker Advanced Micro Devices Inc. in Sunnyvale.

The reality is ''somewhere very in between,' said Durga Ravipati, a senior engineer with IBM in San Jose who until recently spent three months a year reviewing manufacturing suppliers throughout East Asia. ''While it may end up not as scary as some people think, it's certainly not going to be trouble-free either. There might very well be some big problems.'

Indeed, Sun Microsystems Inc. CEO Scott McNealy, speaking recently at an industry conference, acknowledged that his Asian suppliers present the weak link in his Y2K-purged manufacturing supply chain.

Many valley manufacturers, including AMD, have taken steps to assess and help their Asian suppliers, but ''with the way the manufacturing chain continues to proceed down the line to more anonymous sub-suppliers, there's always the potential to miss someone,' warned David Ramsay, a principal at Manufacturing Management Associates, a consultancy headquartered in Oakbrook, Ill.

Because of the inter-connectedness of high-tech manufacturing in Asia, a Y2K bug-related closure of a single facility could disrupt the supply of crucial components to the regional manufacturing base and have serious repercussions for Silicon valley companies, said Ramsey, adding that the problem could hinder production and delivery in the first quarter of the year 2000.

Intel cites Malaysia

Intel Corp. has identified Malaysia, for example, as the Asian country it thinks is in most peril of Y2K shutdowns. Although Intel is by all accounts in very good shape itself in terms of internal Y2K compliance and has safeguarded its main suppliers and distribution channels, the company is still exposed to risk overseas. Intel has put into place contingency plans, such as installing backup generators, and identified backup suppliers at its Malaysia facilities in the event of post-New Year's Day trouble.

''We're certainly not in a position to avoid all possible scenarios,' concedes Intel spokesman Bill Caulder.

The challenge for valley manufacturers is not only to identify which of their individual suppliers are Y2K compliant, but also to assess the infrastructure readiness of an array of different countries where they rely on transportation, power and telecommunications resources.

''It's one thing to have contingency plans for stockpiling inventory or getting second source suppliers, but you still need to deal with the country status,' said Matt Hotle, a Y2K analyst with the Gartner Group, a consulting firm in Stamford, Conn.

Gartner Group rates regions within countries for Y2K preparedness, using a 0 to 5 scale -- from no compliance to a high degree of readiness. China, where many valley companies outsource manufacturing to contractors, has conspicuously low rankings; none of China's regions scored higher than a 4, which indicates that critical remedies are at best only nearing completion.

''Our questions have to do with the infrastructure issues in Asia -- power, for instance. Apparently some of those questions are issues that still need to be resolved,' AMD's Allen said.

At this macro level, even companies trumpeting their oversight of major suppliers may be debilitated by infrastructure issues. Hotle points to customs clearance procedures, which tend to be computerized in even the least advanced markets, as especially vulnerable to Y2K glitches.

Y2K analysts, like economists, divide Asia into two categories. Suppliers in ''first-tier' countries, such as Japan and Taiwan, are typically large corporations with the expertise to implement Y2K remedial programs. But ''second-tier' countries, such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and, to some extent, South Korea, are considerably less resistant to Y2K problems, both at the individual factory level and the infrastructure level.

'Can't lump Asia together'

''There's a big difference whether you're talking about Singapore or China,' said Jason Dedrick, senior research fellow at the Center for Research on Information Technology and Organizations, in Irvine. ''You can't lump Asia together. Singapore is probably more ready for Y2K than is the U.S.'

Accentuating the problem are the economic and political crises still gripping many of the newly industrialized economies in the region. Companies in countries like Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia often do not have the financial resources or the mandate from management to initiate expensive Y2K compliance programs, Dedrick noted.

The ability for valley companies to assess these various macro-regional factors is even more acute when the focus is on the nebulous realm of sub-contractors, down the supply chain from their more familiar business partners. Sometimes a letter asserting Y2K readiness is the only available test of compliance.

''There's no way to judge if someone is compliant or not,' Ravipati said. ''They may have to go through some sort of demonstration from certification companies, but the standards are different. When you look at companies in first-tier countries, they follow the same rules as we do. But companies in second- tier countries really don't.'