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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2395)	7/17/2001 9:22:45 AM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

PERSECUTION DOES NOT END AFTER YOU'VE FIXED A FLAGPOLE IN THE GROUND!!>>>> Well said...But persecution of Albanians in Kosovo (other than by fellow Albanians) gave way to the persecutions of Serbs ....Now Macedonia is facing the same problem...Now From the point of view of Opressor (or defender) "I rather be a hammer than a nail, I surely would if I only could" <g> The reality of it is "kill or be killed" mentality is a fact of life in troubled spots....

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2395)	7/17/2001 1:20:18 PM
From: LV	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 23908

Hi Gustave, Thank you for your reply. So, as I understand, you oppose the concept of a nation-state, and your posts criticizing Israel's existence stem from such a position. And I suppose you use such illustrations of your point that will elicit the most reaction. Makes sense. I guess you would oppose creation of a Palestinian state as well then? I’m curious how do you see European Union? Do you support all nations under one flag or do you see it as bigger government leading to more oppression? What do you see as functions of local governments? Central government? There are some people here in the US who prepare to fight against what they see as a threat of one-world government. I guess they would stand on the opposite end of political spectrum from you. What is interesting is that even though you probably disagree with them on everything else, you agree on the subject of Israel (for different reasons of course). I apologize in advance if I have misrepresented any of your positions. In such a case I hope you will correct my statements. This subject is definitely very interesting. BTW, I want to compliment you on your command of English. It would be unusually good for a native English speaker, but for someone residing in non-English speaking country it is rare indeed.

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2395)	7/17/2001 2:01:09 PM
From: LV	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Just one more comment on your post: <<Besides, when one thinks about the Jews' cultural legacy to mankind, it's clear that the ghetto lifestyle didn't hamper their genius --from Spinoza to Freud to Marcuse to... But what --or rather, who-- did the State of Israel bring to the Jewish pantheon so far?? War criminals, jackboot politicos, far-rightist rabbis, and Russian mobsters! That lot is Israel's added value so far...>> Perhaps it’s time to put a different group into ghettos to try to elicit geniuses. I would think that the Jews have had enough of that. Two thousand years is long enough.

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (2395)	7/18/2001 10:21:35 PM
From: epsteinbd	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

The facts you state, Sir, in trying to convene your cryptic message are false, misleading and pejorative, and I challenge you upon the following: You state that "lifestyle in the ghetto doesn't hamper one's genius, ie : Spinoza, Freud, Marcuse". But these people were not ghetto prisonners ! On the opposite : they kept constant and heavy exchanges, visits, letters by bagfull, with about everyone that had a name in the field, and they travelled free. A ghetto is a prison for a community. In a prison you don't go out. And in a ghetto, you shut up. Then you add that "the state of Israel has AGGRAVATED the antisemitic movement worldwide", and even worse, you cast a serious doubt for the reason for it existence versus accomplishment. For you Israel is a failure : "criminal, mobsters right wing rabbis,war criminals, that's what it's made of. If I understand what you mean, Israel is a mistake, it should not have existed, it should not exist once you finish your post, for it is not even good of its people. How come you didn't find even a single rapist in Israel... strange. In you country there is a genius rapist, a world class rapist&killer. Should Belgium be destroyed...? Scanning your theory, the Israelis are the scum of the earth. They don't file for patents first rank in the world as to % of population, no, how could they Jews turned Israelis turn dumb, ipso facto... They don't have concerts there : how could they : violin is a ghetto's instrument, and the performer needs to be hungry, needs to suffer. Its been doucmented. Even Chaplin... I wont give you more examples, the exercice is worthless. You have to face the facts and try to read your own text, again. But you seem to know it all. Know better of course. You know "that Belgium that should have never been granted independence from the Nederland in 1830!" You know ! You're sure ! So imagine, if Belgium =no, how can Israel be = yes The least I can say Sir, is that you are driven by hate. So my letter is for those who red your texts and don't know that part of history. Those that you have tried to mislead. Here is my partial view on the question of Belgian or anyone, including Israel righteous independence : If the Palestinians want independence, grand it to them. If the Kurds want independence from the 4 surrounding countries ; world community should put it on the agenda to the end, even if it takes 50 years. If the Ingushis...... Yes If Gustave Jaeger wants independance = Yes, just like Belgium ! Corsica, Basque country. Let them roll out he poll boxes : democracy. Fight for that extra vote. Simple, even Jaeger should be able to understand that... Only if he wants to. Epsteinbd