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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (30853)	10/4/2001 10:36:50 AM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

The good news is that it doesn't have to take a whole generation to deprogram people raised upon this stuff. Not all Hitler youth went on to espouse their vitriol until their deaths. I don't know how that works, but I suspect that most people are followers and will simply do what they are told. If they are told something new they will simply adopt that something new. I hope so, anyway. It would help if we could mount an effective counter-propaganda campaign, but I don't have any idea what that would look like. It certainly doesn't look like a new puppet strongman.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (30853)	10/4/2001 4:58:10 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I'll let your last words on the subject stand, E, as encouraging any further condemnations of your own country only plays into the hands of our present and future enemies. You are wrong to think that lying about a well-documented past crime makes us stronger in the eyes of the world. It merely makes us disreputable and noncredible. You objected to St. Bill's term "everlasting shame." IMO opinion the shame is updated every time the crime is denied and defended. Additionally, the heavy implication that by showing precisely what it is that you defend I am "playing into the hands of our present and future enemies" is a standard, unwholesome trope for shutting up those with whom you disagree. Consensus about critical policies in a democracy is obtained by open discussion. This is an example of what you defend, as a reminder: Men were taken away without notice. Most families knew nothing about why their men had suddenly disappeared, to where they were taken, or when they would be released. Some arrestees were soon let free, but most were secretly shipped to internment camps around the country. Some families learned what had happened to their men only several years later. ...The evacuation, ostensibly to protect against possible sabotage and espionage... included babies, orphans, adopted children, and the infirm or bedridden elderly. Children of mixed blood, even from orphanages, were included if they had any Japanese ancestry at all. Colonel Karl Bendetsen, who directly administered the program, declared: "I am determined that if they have one drop of Japanese blood in them, they must go to camp."