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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (31210)10/8/2001 10:40:28 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 82486
 
"As a people, Arabs are self-indulgent, self-absorbed, and immature ... the world’s
equivalent of unruly junior high students. They just won’t quit never growing up."

You know, Osama bin Laden, to name only one person, is none of those things. He is many other things, but not the things you mention. I believe Arab countries have extremely youthful populations- in other words a vast majority of them are the age of junior high school students. The adults however, are probably very much like us.

The only case I know of where flags could not be displayed was the case of a private business and it's corporate policy. Do you feel private businesses cannot set there own policies?

As for religious music in schools, forcing children who must be in school to sing the praises of Gods they do not believe in is the same sort of intolerance the terrorists have for other religions. Tolerant people know that they should not force their beliefs on others. Our founding fathers were, for the most part, a GREAT deal more tolerant for their time than you are for yours. I salute their tolerance. It is what has made us strong.



To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (31210)10/8/2001 11:36:27 AM
From: Poet  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
Well, I can agree with you on one point, you certainly said some outrageous things in your post.



To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (31210)10/8/2001 12:26:30 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
Actually, the best Prime Minister since Churchill was Margaret Thatcher, I think, but Tony Blair is certainly impressing more in this crisis. Britain has a tradition, forged in the last century, of close alliance with us, and it shows in their attitudes and behavior in distinction from continental powers. With Canada, the United States and Britain form a transatlantic partnership that helps to keep NATO on track. I do not, though, think we have shown a lack of gratitude. On the contrary, our British cousins are frequently treated more favorably than others.

Bin Laden is fairly attractive, but there is something hysterical about his looks which is off- putting.

As long as countries have a national culture, they are likely enough to have a national character. I think France is not as unreliable as you think, though. It just chafes at being a second rate power. The Swiss, I am not so sure. After all, they have a tradition of neutrality which has left it "above it all".

I think you are wrong about the Middle East. We are well on our way to dealing with the problem, and downgrading it, at least.

It is pretty much true that the Arabs were fortunate to sit on oil, and have not shown as much political maturity or economic gumption to plan for the future as one might wish.

Some Arab countries, like Morocco, are far more stable and show that development is possible in the Arab world. It may be that most of the difference is that North Africa was, for a long time, under French rule, while most of the Arabs lived under Ottoman domination. Also, in Asia Minor, a lot of Arabs were still tribesmen, engaged in sheep- herding and petty feuding, and far from knowledge of modern science, technology, or social organization. Even now, there is a big gap between the city and the countryside.

I can't say much about sports, except that a free market pertains there too, and these people are getting roughly what they are worth. Considering the threat of injury and their short careers, why shouldn't they seek economic freedom?

Women are relatively less violent than men, but they still have aggressive instincts of their own, as well as a primitive attraction to masculinity. Just as most men like large- bosomed women, most women like men with bulging biceps. Sexuality primarily keys into the exaggeration of secondary sexual characteristics, or the elaboration of masculine and feminine "styles". Additionally, some number of women have a hypertrophied sense of sympathy, and if a criminal is otherwise attractive, tend to imagine that he is a damaged psyche needing love to thrive. Some men are sucker for screwed up women, too.

Pass on Condit.

The only problem with Islam itself is that it has not grown beyond the stage where religion and politics are difficult to separate. Couple this with questions about how Allah could have let the glory of the Caliphate be eclipsed and overtaken by Christendom, and you have a lot of guys who are sure that the only way to restore ancient glory is by the strict application of shari'ah. However, modernizing regimes resist this, and tend to be supported by the United States. Thus, the more fanatical resort to violence.

We do need to take some care to allow a national culture to flourish, and to resist balkanization. To do that, though, we must be somewhat more inclusive, so that all feel themselves to be American. It is true that the majority should not feel as if it cannot express itself, but it is also true that reasonable accommodations have to be made for minorities. Disallowing the flag is hard to defend, and, I would say, so is disallowing all caroling, although an effort should be made to give some exposure to music from other religions and cultures.

I figured since others were being dismissive, I should respond with some seriousness........



To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (31210)10/8/2001 12:27:27 PM
From: The Philosopher  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
, England has always been the first to come to our aid and
support
in any time of crisis, no matter its own domestic problems.


Well, let's be technical here. Not always. Not in 1776. Not in 1812. Not in 1860.

Since WW II, though, pretty much, diplomatically.

But militarily, this may be the first time. I can't think of any others. Can you?



To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (31210)10/8/2001 1:25:15 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
Tony Blair is the best Prime Minister since Winston Churchill. His magnificent, understated oratory gives Britain a role on the world’s stage far out of proportion to its actual power.

As far as post war British prime minister's go I'm partial to Margaret Thatcher. My opinion of Blair has gone up a bit lately though.

The United States does not show enough appreciation for the friendship of Great Britain.

Maybe sometimes we don't but I think overall it is pretty clear that many in the US appreciate the long standing friendly and supportive relationship between our two countries.

Do women really oppose violence?

Some are pacifists. Many support justified violence although statistically they apparently support less violence or want more justification then men. Some are violent themselves. I'm not sure how accurate of impression you get when you try to generalize from those who are in abusive relationships, or the very few who would do things like flirt with someone they suspect might be a serial killer.

On the other hand, in all fairness, if any baseball team of today was to play the greatteams of the past. like the 1929 Yankees, the result would be a laughable rout of the Ruth and Gehrig contingent.

Ruth and Gehrig could play today, but not everyone back then, or even everyone on the 1929 Yankees was a Ruth or a Gehrig. It would be interesting to see a game between the 1929 Yankees and a modern team where the old Yankees where allowed to use spitballs, and the modern team had to play with the old equipment (very bad mitts, heavy bats, balls that would not be replaced frequently and got dirty and scuffed).
Edit - This assumes that the modern team gets no time to prepare for the different rules, equipment and conditions, the old team would need every advantage that they could get.

As to football, basketball, soccer, and hockey ... give it up you wannabe sports.

Football is the premier TV sport. Baseball gains a lot more from actually being there then football does. I'm not that in to hockey and still less soccer but I'd hardly call them wannabe sports. If I was going to play one of these sports or watch it on TV it would be football. Basketball would probably be next (if I can include sports that you didn't list).

Tim