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To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (51613)	6/20/2002 4:48:31 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"I just can't see making her a lifer." This is another one of those irreconcilable problems. The girl made her self a lifer. This episode will color every moment and every issue in her life for the rest of her life. The question you are asking is what would be the appropriate sanction to her from society. Another question that should be asked in the same context, is what position does society take on such behavior. We are definitely forced to take one now that it is in the courts. The easy thing to say is that we don't want to injure this girl any more than she has harmed herself but that doesn't answer the harder question(s).

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (51613)	6/20/2002 5:10:41 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You presented that very compassionately, JC-- Here in Texas we have something called the Baby Moses Law where for 30 days after birth, a baby can be given up with no questions asked. I don't know whether in a case such as the one you cite, though, that the girl would take advantage of such a law, or whether the denial and fear were just so great, the withdrawal from reality so complete, that she couldn't get even that far. But I think the Texas law is at least an attempt at keeping newborns from such a fate. Do other states have this? I wonder at her state of mind, what the psych evaluations will show... I;m not sure I agree with Neo. 15 years til parole to a twenty-year old sounds like a death sentence-- and she sounds as if she was pretty disturbed. What will she experience in prison that could possibly be rehabilitative for her situation? Or are we just going to punish? What is better, not just for her, but for us as a society?

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (51613)	6/20/2002 5:52:44 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I just listened to Adam Bede last weekend on a very long car trip I took same old same old About a young woman who kills her baby such things have always happened, and were probably a lot more common in the past, but forensics were so bad I'm sure most mothers got away with it It is sad, but certainly understandable people who are unstable begin to create their own realities. In those realities all sorts of things appear reasonable that do not appear reasonable to people who are not under the same stress. I remember a woman who walked into the surf to drown herself with her two children. She was saved but the children died. She said over and over again that she did not want to leave them "alone". In her strange reality, death with her was "better" for her children than life without her. This is a totally egocentric conceit, but madness is egocentric. When you create your own world for yourself, other people cease to be very real. They are only props in your own world. Forces that hinder or help you. So a baby- what would that be, but something not quite real? Babies aren't even all that real for a while to people who want them, I imagine the experience is very bizarre to someone who obviously did not want to be pregnant.