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To: y2kate who wrote (5208)9/11/2002 3:00:21 AM
From: Elroy JetsonRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
I bought my house in 1996 for $299,000. Now comps in my neighborhood are going for around $800,000.

If you're married, you already have the $500,000 maximum profit you can claim tax free under our bizarre tax policy. Based on this alone it's time to move. If you're single, you already owe tax on $250k assuming you don't have cost additions added to your original purchase. Based on this you've waited too long to sell without carefully considering tax implications - either that or get married.

If you're wealthy enough to laugh at any future tax and can easily afford your mortgage and property taxes then money is hardly a concern in what you do. Do whatever you like.

If I sold, I would invest the proceeds in $100k FDIC insured savings accounts. The income should be slightly under 3%. My aim would be to have money available when real estate and stock prices are lower. Don't invest the money in something you don't fully understand. I don't see upside in real estate right at the moment. Potentially I see fairly significant downside.



To: y2kate who wrote (5208)9/11/2002 3:12:45 AM
From: Elroy JetsonRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 306849
 
Housing Bubble Lurks Among the Levered - By Bill Fleckenstein - 09/10/2002 06:03 PM EDT

Wreck Rooms Carpeted in Mania Mauve:Turning to the in-over-their-heads department, today's Wall Street Journal ran a wonderful article titled "Foreclosures Hit Record Levels," which illuminated many of the risky lending practices that have helped to increase housing demand and housing prices. I don't see how anyone can read this article and feel terribly sanguine about what is going on. I see a lot of debate on the issue of housing vs. stocks, and why a bubble in the housing market does not exist because it doesn't resemble the recent bubble in the equity market. The people who say that the housing market can't be seeing a bubble argue that it's more heterogeneous, whereas the equity market is more homogeneous, in terms of money flowing back between different securities. (This is one of the arguments promoted by the man whose name we don't mention anymore.)

It is true that real estate is more of a regional market, but it can still turn into a bubble. I recall what the real estate market of the late 1970s looked like. It was a bubble -- just not as big as our most recent equity bubble. I think that's one of the things that confuses people. Our equity bubble was so large that nothing looks like a bubble by comparison.

The Check's in the ... Checkbook: But the Journal story gives some statistics that certainly describe reckless behavior in progress. The second quarter saw a record 1.23% of all home loans in the foreclosure process. (The previous record was set in the first quarter of 1999.) In addition, 4.77% of all home loans outstanding were at least 30 days past due -- one of the highest rates in the last 10 years, though not as high as the 6.07% recorded in 1985. The article also cites a quadrupling of phone calls to Auriton Solutions, a nonprofit credit counseling agency in St. Paul, Minn.

Pop Quiz: So, cracks are appearing in the dike. That doesn't necessarily mean there's going to be a problem in the housing market tomorrow. The timing of when bubbles burst is always elusive; witness what happened in our stock mania. Also, given the aforementioned fact about housing markets not being homogeneous, the bubble is more pronounced in some areas than others, and at different price points. Here in Seattle where I live, things are rather muted in certain areas of the market because of the fallout from the stock bubble, but in other places, that is not the case. In any event, it's important to understand that we do have a bubble occurring in the housing market.

Semidetached Housing: Further, it's worth emphasizing that housing prices require some income stream to support the prices that people pay, and therefore, housing prices cannot be completely detached from current average income levels. The latter may receive a boost from stock options, or from equity that people have built up in other areas, enabling them to reduce their monthly payments. Nevertheless, what strength we are seeing is a remnant from the stock bubble being directed toward inflating a housing bubble. If one pictures a pig working its way through a python, that's kind of what's happening.

Shacking Up With Reality: But I don't expect those benefits will necessarily remain available to the housing market going forward. At the end of the day, you cannot have housing prices that are totally out of whack with what underlying income levels generate -- which appears to be the case today. To me, it seems impossible that the housing market is not going to have some sort of a large setback. When, I don't know, but I feel fairly certain it is going to happen.



To: y2kate who wrote (5208)9/11/2002 12:16:36 PM
From: Paul ViapianoRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
Y2Kate...

I feel the same as you, although I don't have the same equity built up, only around $100-120k...

We're starting to think seriously of selling and renting for awhile...something I'm not personally crazy about but right now the carrot is dangling...



To: y2kate who wrote (5208)9/11/2002 1:40:15 PM
From: Paul SeniorRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
y2kate. I'll weigh in with an opinion. I'm not at all qualified or knowledgeable, but I'll give my opinion anyway. It'll be bereft of accounting/finance/tax expertise and that IS required. (I've no knowledge there either.)

House prices go up and they go down. Going down is normal. Bubble is a scary word. If house prices go down, and you have sold your house at this, a high point, you had better be hoping we're in a bubble. And that your $800k home and other homes drop down, down, down. Because if that's not so, and your home price only drops $100K or $200K or doesn't drop, imo(and I'm guessing here) you will have impaired your lifestyle in that you will have a difficult time buying back into a comparable area, because you have incurred transaction costs selling and buying, and higher local taxes in buying than at the $300k price. (Maybe mortgage rates will have increased too.)

Assuming you do sell, it's not like you've got a need or idea for the money you'll be taking out of your home. You've already implied you're not thrilled with the stock market and/or your results there. If you get 3% on your $500K profit (800k-300k, assuming it's escaped taxes), that's $15K/year (before taxes). Not enough to change a life style.

So why are you considering selling your home, which I assume you can afford, and where you "really like to live"?

Too me - without knowing anything about you of course -g-, it seems like it's scaredy woman talk. I say for you, it'll be a tradeoff between stress relief (no more scared) and regret.

My opinion? Chill. Get beyond it. Your house is your home. Pay your mortgage, count yourself blessed, cluck at the ups and downs of prices. You ain't likely to help yourself by selling.

Paul Senior
(jmo. All from what I guess and surmise
and... I've been wrong many, many times.)



To: y2kate who wrote (5208)9/11/2002 1:48:07 PM
From: ConanRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
Kate:

The capital gains tax exclusion on a residence you own for two years or more is $500K. Once your home gets to the point where it would sell for $840K or more you are at the point where any additional gains over that $500K would be taxed. Food for thought...

Conan



To: y2kate who wrote (5208)9/11/2002 2:02:21 PM
From: MulhollandDriveRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 306849
 
kate...

ask yourself this...

would you pay $800K for you current home?

if the answer is no...then i think there is a pretty good chance you consider the property to be overvalued.

does it mean it couldn't still go up?

no...

then again..

a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush

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