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To: carranza2 who wrote (27474)1/14/2003 7:09:12 PM
From: LLCF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
< They were in many respects essentially unconscious. The brain's right hemisphere dominated. Only after this bicameral brain broke down did consciousness,as we know it, begin. >

They ate from the tree of the knowlege of good and evil?? Judgement, labeling right and wrong? Intellectualism?

DAK



To: carranza2 who wrote (27474)1/15/2003 10:19:18 PM
From: AC Flyer  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559
 
>>"When Julian Jaynes...speculates that until late in the second millennium B.C. men had no consciousness but were automatically obeying the voices of gods....the revolutionary idea that human consciousness did not begin far back in animal evolution but is a learned process brought into being out of an earlier hallucinatory mentality by cataclysm and catastrophe only 3000 years ago and still developing"<<

Sorry c2, this is utter raving bullshit, obviously written by someone with some kind of fundamentalist and/or kleptomaniacal agenda.

If you have an interest in evolutionary biology I would recommend that you: (1) avoid Mr. Jaynes, and (2) read anything written by Stephen Jay Gould, who was a highly entertaining writer and had no difficulty separating science fact from science fantasy.



To: carranza2 who wrote (27474)1/15/2003 11:57:27 PM
From: jim black  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
Carranza, OT though a neurologist by training, a mathematician and astronomer by avocation, I do have some rather different views than the conclusions drawn by Jaynes. Since the market is closed where I am I venture this observation FWIW, simply this. On my livingroom wall hangs a reproduction of a painting of a buffalo copied to silk screen print from the a cave at Altamira, Spain. It is by a member of the Cromagnon community and dates to something in excess of 20,000 years B.C.E. Fossil records show no significant difference in skeletal structure between us and them. Similar paintings have been found in several places elsewhere in Spain and in France that are even older based on carbon dating. I gaze daily at that picture over my morning coffee and see no difference in yearning, no different an appreciation of power or awe of nature in the mind leaving its ancient mark upon those dank, buried walls lo these many millinnia from the mind inside my head, or yours, or inside the poets, artists, searchers, all of us we have any record of. I think not much at all has changed...except for a few ice ages, the invention of written language and money, a few spectacular excursions into manipulating our world with our paradigms, and of course the mind of Allan Greenspan who used to say (1966) that he believed gold was a good thing. I think Jaynes is deceived. Now to bed and back to business tomorrow with no more philosophical meandering on my part. Our great game of chess leaves little time for such idle fancies these days, no? Chinese times, yes, Chinese times. The curse, the curse.
Good evening,
Jim Black