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To: Berry Picker who wrote (35908)	11/29/2003 11:19:34 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Well, I responded to you before with the simple and undeniable fact that Jesus said that before the end can come the Gospel must be preached to every tribe and tongue and people. That has never been done until now, our time. But you dismissed that even though it's an irrefutable fact. But there are other problems with your view. If what you say is true then where are we now? According to your time line we would have to be PAST the 1,000 year reign and actually be in the time when heaven and earth pass away. But we only have to look around and see evil everywhere and know that the devil is still loose. He has not been caged for eternity yet. Look around, the wheat and the chaff are still growing together until the harvest, as the Lord said to his disciples it would. There are too many glaring flaws in your ideas. It may be time for you to go back to foundational truths of your salvation and build on that again after discarding what you have decided about eschatology.

To: Berry Picker who wrote (35908)	11/30/2003 1:04:03 AM
From: alan w	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Brian. Everything written in Revelations has already been fulfilled and has already happened. 1 And I perceived a new heaven and a new earth, for the former heaven and the former earth pass away, and the sea is no more. The sea is no more? What does “sea” symbolize in scripture? As long as men teach that near is far and short is long and speed is slow without examining their pride of conviction they will continue in their darkness and condemnation of those of us who teach the truth. God, not man, teaches that short is long. And long is short for that matter. With God, one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.--2 Peter 3:8 Everything written in Revelations has already been fulfilled and has already happened. Revelation 21:4 And He will be brushing away every tear from their eyes. And death will be no more, nor mourning, nor clamor, nor misery; they will be no more, for the former things are passed away. But we know that death hasn't "passed away" and won’t be abolished until the end of the ages. Hebrews 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin(literally abolish: greek un-place) by the sacrifice of Himself. After this, death will also be abolished. (Remember, death is the last enemy to be destroyed. 1 Cor 15:26) Second Corinthians 4:4; Whose minds the god of this age (that’s the adversary or satan) has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. Galations 1:4;Who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil world, (properly translated: age instead of world) according to the will of God and our Father. So Brian, are the ages still ongoing? What, if anything, distinguishes our present age from the age in which Paul wrote Galations 1:4? Is Christ or the Father reigning in this age? Is death history? Is satan bound? I am so joyously overwhelmed that when Jesus Christ does indeed abolish death (and all the other "enemies"), it (and they) will truly be gone. Literally. Not some symbolic gone, but really truly GONE!!!! Not half defeated and shoved into the corner somewhere. But abolished! If you would study that word and what it means, your beliefs about sin and death would reflect the true strength of Christ's power over death and His abilities to fully ANNULL all of satan's acts. Acts such as this: Second Corinthians 4:4; Whose minds the god of this age (that’s the adversary or satan) has blinded (to not believe the gospel), who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ(but they will after He has annulled ALL of satans actions), who is the image of God, should shine on them. Good to talk to you again Brian. YBIC alan w

To: Berry Picker who wrote (35908)	11/30/2003 6:35:31 PM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

"Let him be filthy still" That scripture is obviously meant to warn that the time was only a matter of days and certainly not more than a few weeks at best. You see, whenever anyone says that Revelation was written in 86 AD they always say, "According to tradition." There is that word again that seems to always pop up to qualify scripture. It does not, in any sense, qualify anything! If Revelation was written in 86 AD, I believe that John would have mentioned that most horrific event in the lives of the Jews in his revelation. He does not because he is seeing 70 AD before the fact! Some great truths will continue to remain hidden here today because of the rigid presuppositional beliefs of many. James

To: Berry Picker who wrote (35908)	12/1/2003 12:43:55 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Now you are all of a sudden interested in history again. While I commend you for that, your interpretation of Eusibius is as bad as your interpretation of scripture. He does not say that Christ came in some "spiritual" disembodied state in 70 A.D. Quite the opposite; he is saying that some (not all) scriptures were figuratively fulfilled by Christ's actual physical incarnation. But thank you for posting that because it reveals the desperate state of your position and your complete disregard for historical fact.