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To: Ilaine who wrote (129598)	4/19/2004 4:14:51 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Isn't Fallujah a breeding ground for torturers?

To: Ilaine who wrote (129598)	4/19/2004 5:01:09 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Or maybe this is actually common practice and I've simply led a sheltered life. I'm going to spare myself looking at your link, but yes, these kinds of gruesome scenes are all too common outside the civilized West. We in the West today live in a situation that is, on a global scale, rather rare, not the norm at all. In a sense, as long as there is not enough of whatever resources one needs to live well to go around, this kind of thing will continue to happen. This isn't the only reason people get into conflict, and longing for some mythical bucolic past with a limited world human population à la Rouseau isn't the solution - the continuing advances of human knowledge are. Those are where the real solutions to the world's problems will come from.

To: Ilaine who wrote (129598)	4/20/2004 12:08:08 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi CobaltBlue; Re: "In charity, I am telling myself that the residents of Fallujah lived through 30 years of Saddam Hussein, and it's only to be expected that some are brutalized and inhuman." Iraqis seem to come in two basic flavors. You noted the brutalized and inhuman variety. (Though I'd say that my read of history indicates that their behavior is all too human.) The other flavor is the type that disapproves of the first type but won't do a damn thing about it. Maybe we should force them all to watch "Sesame Street" for 20 years. Then the Iwaqis would wuv us. -- Carl

To: Ilaine who wrote (129598)	4/20/2004 12:30:25 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

In charity, I am telling myself that the residents of Fallujah lived through 30 years of Saddam Hussein, and it's only to be expected that some are brutalized and inhuman. In charity, I keep telling myself that we have to do this for the children of Iraq (and the rest of the region). The adults are already "programmed" in their socio-pathic to have little regard for human rights, or creating a better future for their posterity. But even then, I know there are millions of Iraqis who want nothing more than to be left alone (by all sides) to live their lives in peace and mutual respect. Hawk