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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (2980)	8/6/2007 7:20:47 AM
From: kumar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4152

We would invite the condemnation of the entire world were we to eradicate our enemies with nukes. We did that (before I was part of the 'we') in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I dont see no condemnation around. Matter of fact - we are the only country to have used nukes as a weapon in war.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (2980)	8/6/2007 9:41:40 AM
From: SARMAN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4152

And the same standard applies to Israel. Really? Are you sure? When was the last time the US voted against Israeli aggressions in UNSC without watering down the resolution. The only unchecked power that exists is a totalitarian regime that believes it requires nuclear weapons from behind which it will shield its aggression. Sure you would think that way. When those regimes stop towing the US line. When Iraq towed the US line, You would not hear anyone calling Saddam a dictator. Just look at the second best US' friend in the ME, SA. They are the one that fund extremists to carry attacks on US interest. Yet the US went after Iraq and it wants to go after Iran, which these two are far less of a threat to the US than SA. Hypocrisy? Maybe. Wait.. now you're telling us you WANT the US to meddle in Mid-East politics? On the contrary, I was pointing out the excessive meddling in ME politics. Pray tell.. what would be the "right way" to preserve Lebanon's sovereignty against Syrian and Iranian domination? I will leave that to the overpaid think tanks in Washington. Which superpower? Recall that the PLO was HEAVILY supported by the Soviets. So heavily supported the Russians built a large stash of ordnance in Lebanon during the early late '70s, early '80s. Hawk, it naive to think that the PLO was a superpower. You call Hizbo a proxy to Iran. I say Iran is a Russian Proxy. Israel is a proxy to the US. What I was saying that all those proxies fight it out in Lebanon. No one in the ME is independent. Those superpowers like their proxies to be armed. Btw, some of those weapons were American made, having been illegally provided by the Saudis to the PLO, without US consent. That is also naive to think they only came from SA. I would say Israel too. At one point in the Lebanese civil war, Israel was backing the phalangist led by Bashir Gemyel. Bashir was supported by Israel. His weapons were US made weapons. BTW, how do you know that the US did not give consent to the SA to give US made weapons? The Saudis are US proxy, they do the US' bidding in ME. Superficially, you are correct, however, lots of crap that goes on behind close doors. After all, it what suits the superpowers and their interest. Btw, Oliver North and the Contra affair was supplying weapons TO IRAN.. Not Iraq.. Wait a minute, hold the phone, "Certainly we had a vested interest in insuring that Iran did not win that war, just as we have a CURRENT vested interest in preventing Iran from dominating Iraq today." you want Iraq to win and you are selling weapons to Iran. That reinforce my previous point. In the ME it is not what the US wants superficially that counts, it is what is their hidden agenda is. Explain how that ties into your conspiracy theory that we armed Saddam.. Maybe it was not made directly but surly indirectly. Hawk your ideals and intentions are noble and you care about other human beings. However, the US foreign policies in ME are a disaster to the people of the ME. Maybe it is not the intention but the results are. Just look at Iraq, regime change, democracy yet the results are that 2 million refugees, hundred of thousands dead and the people are worse of that before. However, the Kurds are doing well.