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To: quehubo who wrote (68945)	5/28/2008 8:09:09 AM
From: CapitalistHogg™	Respond to of 542201

I am saying a handful of fanatics can cause enough devastation that we should go to extreme efforts to prevent it. i have no problem with that but imo these 'efforts' can be JUST as bad or worse. "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."

To: quehubo who wrote (68945)	5/28/2008 9:30:00 AM
From: Bridge Player	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 542201

I am saying a handful of fanatics can cause enough devastation that we should go to extreme efforts to prevent it. Precisely.

To: quehubo who wrote (68945)	5/28/2008 10:08:13 AM
From: Travis_Bickle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542201

Some of the extreme things we could do: Halt all imports into the nation, too risky, no way to make shipments 100% secure Halt commercial aviation, limit aviation to homeland security and military Halt all immigration Continue to allow passenger ships but require all passengers to disembark at offshore terminals, to be throughly inspected before reaching the mainland Tighten restrictions on explosives, materials to make explosives, and firearms Mandatory national ID that must be renewed quarterly Eliminate most forms of mass transit Probably endless others that would increase security

To: quehubo who wrote (68945)	5/28/2008 10:39:53 AM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542201

From the history that I have read the change in every government has to come from within. Overthrows or voting out. There are millions or Iranians who hate their current government. I have read books that they write wherein they describe their controlled life. Women stoned... if they even are suspected of infidelity... There will be day when the masses rise up in some way and take care of the oppression that exists there today by the religious fanatics who interpret Muslim in their own way. We should just leave them alone. When they have someone to hate from the outside it solidifies them whereas they have to take care of their own problems internally.

To: quehubo who wrote (68945)	5/28/2008 10:52:48 AM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542201

I am saying a handful of fanatics can cause enough devastation that we should go to extreme efforts to prevent it. I think we are now at the core of the debate. Can we stop terrorists attacks 100%? I think we could, but it would resemble a military occupation by our own armed forces, with checkpoints and national IDs required. Probably routine frisking and random detentions too. Do we want to live like that? The notion that we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here doesn't stand up to logical scrutiny. I just can't believe they couldn't spare 20 fanatics from fighting us in Iraq so that they could attack us here with WMD.