Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Microcap & Penny Stocks : Rocky Mountain Int'l (OTC:RMIL former OTC:OVIS) -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Pugs who wrote (36523)	1/13/1998 11:47:00 PM
From: Ellen	Respond to of 55532

Nice post Pugs.

To: Pugs who wrote (36523)	1/13/1998 11:48:00 PM
From: Just My Opinion	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 55532

Pugs: Good deal. You apologised, hopefully, everyone will get back on track. I don't see what the big deal is about the pink sheets. if there is a short squeeze, they have to cover no matter where it trades. I don't think this is about "status", I think it should be about results. I doubt if anyone will have to "whisper" where the stock trades, if the squeeze finally comes to fruition. al

To: Pugs who wrote (36523)	1/13/1998 11:53:00 PM
From: TideGlider	Respond to of 55532

Kuglers 5500 posts are for all threads Pugs..

To: Pugs who wrote (36523)	1/13/1998 11:54:00 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 55532

<<<As faR as Tonto, s martin, Kugler...this WARRANTS closer inspection. Tonto said something very telling today, she/he said GIF was some of his/her "best work" (?)....MY OPINION ( ONLY ) is that Tonto and Kugler 'stumbled' upon a 'scam' at GIFS...this gives them some credibilty now, people ASSOCIATE them with finding 'scams'. s martin & Kugler have "worked"together, Tonto & Kugler have "worked" together....NOW!!! s martin & Tonto & Kugler are 'working' together.>>> Well Pugs.. I guess the Nays never really expected you would apologize to them anyway. I guess your expressing your apologies to the Yeahs will have to suffice and it is a nice start. Now to the Tonto/Kugler conspiracy..... Start digging buddy... I suggest that you start reading each and every one of the GIFS postings from at least November, 1996 through July, 1997. Notice the similiarities to the BS you guys have been spouting. Pay specially attention to the comments of Jeff Silverman, "Mr. Smart Investor" who promised to buy up the entire float and was attempting a "Cert Call" to force a short squeeze. Oh.. people it's beautiful reading. I highly suggest it to everyone who wants to study and understand how a bunch of ordinary folks can be lied to by a company's management. And as I understand it, even several individuals in the company's office didn't realize Zayed was lying to "them", his employees. And read how Tonto was accused by people just like Pugs and Riley, attempting to destroy his credibility in order to preserve their own selfish, but misguided, goals. The RMIL thread certainly has no monopoly on assasinating the reputations of the "opposition". And if more people had listened to Tonto and Mike Kugler, to include myself, they would have more money in their pockets this very day. Yes, Pugs... A closer look at Tonto and Kugler's "best work" is certainly warranted.. by everyone. And they have every reason to be damn proud of it. Regards, Ron

To: Pugs who wrote (36523)	1/13/1998 11:58:00 PM
From: TopCat	Respond to of 55532

Pugs, I respect you a great deal more for this post even though I have trouble with several of your points as follows: >>Out of the 40,000 posts Kugler is only responsible for approx. 5500.<< Again, you are implying that all 5500 posts by MK are on this or preceding threads....you know this is not true. >>that Tonto and Kugler 'stumbled' upon a 'scam' at GIFS..<< I doubt that they 'stumbled' upon a 'scam'....I think they look for scams and try to fight them. >>why are they always on threads with large short positions?<< Do we REALLY know that we have a large short position here or is that just one of the indicators of a possible scam? >>Why is the squeeze always buried by mountains of fundamental propoganda without mention of the $5MM, new bottling facilities, backorders for RMIL, etc, etc.<< Pugs, you have been the most guilty of this.....you are the one that keeps trying to bring up these 'fundamentals' while at the same time claiming these issues to be not at issue in light of the squeeze. >>To ALL you longs....we've grown very close and I apologize again for the past couple of days, no excuses, I know credibility is a big issue, and hope I haven't diminished it in any way...<< Pugs, this is the part that I respect you for. You didn't run when you could have. Best Regards, TC

To: Pugs who wrote (36523)	1/14/1998 12:01:00 AM
From: Michael P. Weber	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 55532

Pugs, That was an excellent post! Your a HUGE MAN for doing what you did! It's not easy to admit your wrong and apo...apol...apolog...apologize! Kugler would never apologize! I hope that everyone will drop this whole thing and move on from here! WAY TO GO PUGS!!!!!>/b> Mike

To: Pugs who wrote (36523)	1/14/1998 12:24:00 AM
From: s martin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 55532

1.Also , its' obvious Kugler didn't write all 40,000 posts on this thread, that was written in haste and will be rectified. Out of the 40,000 posts Kugler is only responsible for approx. 5500. Kugler has NOT posted 5500 times on this thread. 2..Why is the squeeze always buried by mountains of fundamental propoganda without mention of the $5MM, new bottling facilities, backorders for RMIL, etc, etc. The fundamental propagandacan be verified unlike the short position, $5MM, new bottling facilites and the backorders.They have never come to fuition and the merger was first announced almost 4 months ago. 3. a broker spends 8-10hrs. a day slamming the stock? This is your opinion only. Total time to make 10-15 posts would be more like 30-40 minutes. No one has to continually sit at their computer in order to post. 4.NOW!!! s martin & Tonto & Kugler are 'working' together. I HAVE NO IDEA IF THIS IS TRUE but it WARRANTS CLOSER INSPECTION....why are they always on threads with large short positions? Your conspiracy theory is a figment of your imagination and possible wishful thinking on your part because in your mind it may support your "short" theory. It is a false assumption. IMO this is a completely self-serving apology as you realized you had gone too far and were being criticized by both camps.

To: Pugs who wrote (36523)	1/14/1998 12:49:00 AM
From: Rich_1	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 55532

Pugs, Great job and I'm glad that you are a RMIL shareholder. I'd take you on my side over Ron Reece any day. At least you do DD in an attempt to find the truth. By the quality and quantity of the Neys' postings, surely this must mean that the short squeeze is awfully close. They will do anything to get us to turn in our certificates. They don't seem to understand that we will, but at our price not there's. Keep up the good work on behalf of RMIL shareholders. Rich_1

To: Pugs who wrote (36523)	1/14/1998 6:24:00 AM
From: tonto	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 55532

Tonto said something very telling today, she/he said GIF was some of his/her "best work" (?)....MY OPINION ( ONLY ) is that Tonto and Kugler 'stumbled' upon a 'scam' at GIFS. PUGS Pugs, I did not stumble upon anything. I broke the scam through hard work. The company was liquidated and honest people were hurt. Your assumptions are ludicrous as is your qualifying the court case history in Ca. You have no idea who I am, what my resources are, and how deep I can go, others have learned and the authorities very much appreciate my work. You have called me many inappropriate things during the past two weeks but you missed one that better describes my position. I in no way have a financial stake in this company, although I did for a couple of days. I am not affiliated with any shorters, and am not attempting to "shake shares" as you have erroneously determined. You have angered me more than the crooks at GIFS, and it was after I was insulted there that I decided to work hard and provide my research to the authorities. You have hurt your fellow shareholders while you played your petty games. Comrad Tonto, Boss says no more Vodka business on Internet. We have rule in Mother Russia-"You can only serve one Boris" (who, just like I promised is doing great after successful Vodka treatments back in Homeland. He almost died from drinking all that bottled water in many meetings outside glorious Motherland). Boss says can't compete with bottled water on Internet. Says Internet really does sell air.....not water. He thinks people on Internet do not think clearly, and so wants to sell Vodka in real market where facts hit you in face like cold Siberian wind. But decision to stop on Internet came over protests from Propaganda Minister who gets new ideas every day. I told Boss I told only truth about Vodka. He says not good enough. He says I can't talk about my business. I told him I also put on Internet how to make a nuclear device to fit in suitcase. He said that's OK. But no business. He says you Americans spend more time and money suing than our glorious soldiers on leave spend on all Russian call girls combined. But he is right. I too prefer to spend my time and money on the ladies. Boss also says now staff will not have their names on internet either. I have learned much about American Stock Market called BB. American Capitalist pigs are now using old Russian invention of taking money from proletariat and "transferring" it to their pockets, much like KGB does now except KGB uses smile and gun, not just smile. I learned Americans don't think much of your precious First Amendment. I was told it was first because America thought it most important of all. Hypocritical Capitalist dogs! But we are used to hearing only party line in Mother Russia and know it is very dangerous to disagree openly. It is same here to there....you Americans only value someone's else's precious rights to the extent they affect you personally. I thought Internet was for all to use freely so people could learn. Another pitiful American education project! But then I see American Education giving your children A's in reading even though they can't read, but they feel good about it. Only in America! Sorry Tonto, I ramble as I sit here sipping pure, sparkling, crystal clear Russian Vodka, smoking a good Cuban cigar, and listening to Moscow boys choir sing "Workers of the World, Unite". It brings tears to my eyes. I see Mr. Pugs now says you are evil. Are you playing cat and mouse with him? I saw you destroy your detractors on GIFS with your resources. Mr. Pugs has no idea who he is dealing with. I do not think Mr. Pugs has ever seen Tonto angry. Maybe he does not know you are tenacious like saber-toothed Tiger. Perhaps you could be nice and tell him to read GIFS thread before you spear him like Russian sturgeon. Please tell Mr. Riley G for me that we used to just kill dissenters, but it got too messy. Now we just send them to Gulag, particularly if they tell truth. That way lies last longer. Even our superior Russian people start to believe propaganda after a while. Our beloved Nikita told you Americans we were going to bury you. People in Russia believed that for long time. Now they are in bread line. I told them to sell rubles and buy good American investments. What did they do? They said they wanted the rubles, the paper, in their pockets. Now a boxcar full of rubles is worth only what you can get for boxcar. The good news is that rubles are appreciating against bottled water companies. And also Mr. Riley G, I notice company having trouble with pesky Government. That was big problem in Mother Russia. We used to bribe pesky Government with Vodka, but after a while even that did not work. But we solved problem. We got rid of pesky Government. Now KGB runs everything. So business can do whatever it wants as long as they pay KGB, and we still make the peasants pay for our Porsches. Propaganda Minister also wishes me to say to be careful. He says for every Cossack we put away for telling truth, ten more jump up, telling the truth. They are like vermin in Mother Russia. It makes you want to throw up your borscht in your lap! (Boss laughs and says they are "impediment to business") But Boss also says Asians have done pretty good without your Rocky Mountain water so far. There are more of them than you. And we have been telling them results of your American study which shows Vodka will make you live longer. Say that about water! We tell them they can win the war with against Imperialist swine simply by outliving them. And shelves are already lined with Russian Vodka. Tonto, I hear company will not talk. I know your decadent American movies say we Russians use truth serum, but reality is we use Vodka. Let me suggest you sit at table with officers and pour many shots while listening to musical heroes like Rachmaninoff or Prokofiev. You will have them talking in no time (if it is Russian Vodka). I saw them at American taste test once and they babbled all night. I think they are only living example of old American saying "Loose Lips Sink Ships". Please tell all water people good luck and not to buy air. Tell them to buy pure, sparkling, crystal clear Russian Vodka (the fastest growing beverage in all of Mother Russia) I wager Mr. Kugler will miss SI. No doubt he will be lurking. Comrade Tonto, the sleeping giant, what must be next? You may publish letter on Internet, if you so choose. Nazdrowie, Mikhail

To: Pugs who wrote (36523)	1/14/1998 9:38:00 AM
From: (Bob) Zumbrunnen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 55532

My favorite post of yours to date, Pugs. A few points, though..... I wanted to take the time and apologize And, more importantly: I'll do my best to not let it happen again. I feel much better about you for having seen you say those words. Will feel better, still, if I see follow-through. I am, after all, a Missourian. Out of the 40,000 posts Kugler is only responsible for approx. 5500 I hope you read this before your next fax to Principal, etc. Kugler is responsible for about 5500 messages in ALL of SI; not the RMIL thread. His posts here are likely in the 1000 range. this gives them some credibilty now, people ASSOCIATE them with finding 'scams'. s martin & Kugler have "worked"together, Tonto & Kugler have "worked" together....NOW!!! s martin & Tonto & Kugler are 'working' together. I HAVE NO IDEA IF THIS IS TRUE but it WARRANTS CLOSER INSPECTION Personally, I don't see that they're "working together", but I also wouldn't have a problem if they were. I don't know why there would be a problem with people working together to accomplish a task, whether it be to warn people away from what is seen as a bad situation, or to alert people to a money-making opportunity, as you, Riley, Ellen, and others seem to be "working together" to do. Indulge me and follow through on your reasoning regarding Tonto, Kugler, and Martin "working together". What is the hypothesis you're testing? Why the almost 'pathological' concern over RMIL? And remember not to discount the most plausible answers simply because you don't like those answers. Truth doesn't care who likes it. Does RMIL warrant this scrutiny? That is the most important question. It's the question I always ask myself when I see negative posts on any stock. Personally, I think RMIL should be the poster-child for "Closer Scrutiny". Others should definitely ask themselves whether the scrutiny is warranted (and whether the hype is warranted) and investigate accordingly. If there is no huge short position, why are they here? Whether or not the short position exists does not seem to be the sole basis of their posts. It's been an important part of their participation, but by no means the main focus. As I see it, none of us really knows for sure whether that short position exists. The evidence on both sides of the issue is largely circumstantial and drawing a conclusion one way or the other would require reliance on assumptions that may or may not prove to be true. Riley has done a good job and the correct job in trying to determine how many shares are owned by shareholders. If solid evidence confirming the number of outstanding shares appears (an audited Q or K), his efforts will be what busts the chops of the guilty parties. I do commend his efforts in that regard, my thoughts regarding his other activities aside. Why NO NEGATIVITY over Morks' fradulent press releases? Incorporating a phony buisness under the same name? Good question. Could it be, though, because it is, at best, a side issue? It's RMIL that's the publicly held company in question. Personally, I'm not entirely convinced that Mork is as he presents himself, but I'm also not convinced he's not. Regardless, I see it as being far less important than other issues regarding RMIL. Why is the squeeze always buried by mountains of fundamental propoganda without mention of the $5MM, new bottling facilities, backorders for RMIL Because an important part of their posts has been to not implicitly trust something to be true simply because the company says it's true. I just can't comprehend the pathological concern over RMIL by folks w/o 1 cent invested Just because one can't comprehend the reasons for certain activities by others doesn't make those activities dubious. I can't comprehend eating seafood, but I don't suspect that people are evil who happen to love it. Is he/Tonto/Doug54 ..out to PROVE this another GIFS and shake shares in the process? A valid question. IMO, one should view everything here with some level of skepticism, but must also be willing to accept answers that may not be the desired ones. Is it possible they want to "shake shares", as you say? By all means, it is. I don't see it as being the likely correct answer, though, but it bears checking into. My own reason for believing this is not the case is that their activities seem to be more focused on discouraging people from buying; not on getting people to sell. I know credibility is a big issue, and hope I haven't diminished it in any way... In my eyes, you did, but you've already gone a long way toward regaining it. Best of luck to you, Pugs, and I do hope you are eventually proven to be right about the things you've said about the company.

To: Pugs who wrote (36523)	1/14/1998 9:43:00 AM
From: Joe Master	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 55532

The reason they are working on threads that have large short positions is that shorts have a purpose that is not sinister. (Of course there is legal and illegal shorts) I am assuming w are talking about legal. Shorts know ifa stock is a scam they can make some money riding it down. I hope you will now consider me working with tonto and Mike I feel tey are right and they have saved me as well as a few others from making a mistake. I want to assist to help others in this way as well. No Riley I am not Mike Kugler. Joe