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To: Mark Bartlett who wrote (5841)	1/14/1998 6:59:00 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116753

OFF TOPIC >>>>It behooves me that a country like the US - another great country, does not have a medical plan for its citizens. Canada does - and it operates at about 35% less per capita than yours does - with equal to, or better outcome measurements. >>> Mark, I have never lived in Canada but allow me to take issues with your statements. I come back to medicine shortly. First, you do indeed better off in Canada if you are poor or simply happy. I do not think that you can start Microsoft or even act on your ambitions and God given potential unless indeed you cross the border. That goes for Canada and any other country on Earth. Medicine. Well, lets just start with Europe, say France, excellent medicine, good outcomes. The reason for France, not Canada, fairly significant number of immigrants, poor, very poor and crime/HIV/trauma albeit not as bad as USA but...still close to apple with cranapple but not Orange like Canada (of course again they drink red wine, but lets discount this benefit). Free medicine is a propagated illusion it does not exist. Taxes, gasoline, regulations, waiting for procedures and services for a long time, inability to afford much, certainly not a house all well-known facts. Any goods/food cost more, considerably more when prorated to hour of work standard. income/expense including medicine. Analogy- If someone boosts that he has great health benefits-terrific insurance for free that means he is underpaid that exact amount.. Canadian is underpaid and overtaxed more than insurance costs to pay for other.. Quality-not even close if you want new hip or glaucoma operation, chances are you are on waiting list for a long time or had it done in USA. And not so well to do people are taken care in USA medical system much better than in any other developed country (they just others not have as many) Canadian system would have been overwhelmed and in no way able to deal with magnitude of the problem that USA faces every day and does a magnificient job in handling it Outcomes- comparable when apples are compared with apples e.g. White Population of USA (affluent/less crime/ and so on)

To: Mark Bartlett who wrote (5841)	1/14/1998 8:14:00 PM
From: paul ross	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116753

Mark- Generally a transfer of money, government's taxing of some to create a benefit for others, does 4 bad things: 1.Diminishes the quality of life for those it extracts money from. 2. Creates an inefficient bureaucracy to handle the transfer of money that eats up an ever greater percentage of that transferred. 3. Punishes the recipients of the transfer by destroying the ability of them to do for themselves. 4. Creates an inefficient and oft times unnecessary industry in the direction of its transfer. These 4 items attempt to describe an overall law or governance that presides over human action. This is an immutable "law of nature". It's a principle like gravity or any law of physics. All socialistic/communistic societies have proved it by their decay and ultimate collapse, all great freedom based societies have proved it by their success, and by their failure when they chose to turn from it. PR

To: Mark Bartlett who wrote (5841)	1/14/1998 11:17:00 PM
From: Ronald P. Margraf Sr.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116753

Hi Mark, Actually Mark you are not off topic. State debt has alot to do with currency, gold, ect. Well I beleive you have taken my post the wrong way. First of all I think Canada is really beautiful and I can't make a comment on whether I would want to live there or not. I've visited. Like it. I would expect you to defend and say what you have said but you have missed the point. The question that was posed on a previous post has to deal with debt, gold and the reasons why. Canada is a neighbor and close by. Canada was used as a comparason as to why your currency is down. Debt. Of course the average citizen likes and wants to keep its benifits but remember someone has to pay for it. I've talked to many folks and they don't like what they pay but they don't want to give up what they are getting. Thats fine. You like your government for what it gives you but that is not always the general consensis. There is always someone that has to give up more then what they get. The post was not about whether Canada or the US is better but why governments sell gold to provide those benifits that the populus wants and now expects. I'm not going to get into a debate whether Canada is better then the US or vise versa. That is not the issue here nor is it the substance of the previous post. It was about governments, debt, and the reasons why governments sell gold.;-) Take care and good trading, Ron

To: Mark Bartlett who wrote (5841)	1/16/1998 12:21:00 AM
From: Albert V	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116753

Off topic too. Mark as a fellow Canadian, from what I have heard the medical system in USA isn't all bad. There is something called medicaid which is for the poor and the elderly, the government covers the cost. Perhaps an American can elaborate on how it works. Funny, whenever a rich and famous Canadian gets a desease, like the premier from quebec who had cancer (can't remember his name- Johnson?) they head straight to the states for treatment. Maybe they know something we don't? Regarding socialism in Canada, well, I am a welfare worker, and the social destructioncreated by some policies created by well meaning socialists have always amazed me. Albert p.s. I have seen some places in the States where the houses look like they have been chewed on by beavers, really sorry sights. but then, if you are from Toronto, then you don't have a true picture of how a lot of Canadians live either- the poverty in some parts of the east coast is pretty unbelievable.