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To: NAG1 who wrote (391926)	12/16/2018 2:59:30 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 542260

To: NAG1 who wrote (391926)	12/16/2018 3:12:02 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542260

Nag-- It is one thing to talk about getting things done and another thing to get things done in this hyperpartisan environment....She is green and I am willing to give her time to figure things out. I hope she herself figures that out within a few months of being in office. Someone should give her a copy of Robert Caro's biography of LBJ to learn something about Congress, especially his volume 3, Master of the Senate, but also volume 4, where he goes into how Johnson got the Civil Rights bills passed. Unhappily, she seems like a person who wears her emotions on her sleeve and may be incapable of the kind of abstract thought divorced from emotions that dealing with this hyperpartisan environment requires in order to be effective (as are many members of the GOP, perhaps I should add--the so-called "Freedom Caucus" members as well as others not formally part of that coalition).

To: NAG1 who wrote (391926)	12/16/2018 4:07:06 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542260

None of my clan agree with the Pelosi thing. But she has done a lot more things right than wrong and her ideas are spot on, from an optimum social scientist point of view as to what makes for a healthy, happy and moral society. And good ideas are the mothers milk of a good society. First the idea and then the action. But the idea has to come first. Republicans do not really believe that. They have some cock and bull idea that all that is needed is rich people and pure capitalism and somehow Shangri la grows out of that equation automatically, which is pure horseshit-lol. Cortez will work hand in hand with the almost 100 progressives in the Democratic house and the 90+ women and they will work together. Every single issue she has championed is shared by the progressive community. But this is like steering a big ship and she knows it and said so. She said I have an ideology, but know that the path to get there requires compromises. The fact she made that distinction shows great maturity. She also said where the money will come from and it will come from taxing the rich and corporations at the same level or higher as everyone else and cutting stupid programs like defense that have way too much money. The Republicans pissed away 20 trillion dollars in stupid tax cuts, wars and creating financial calamity. I think with 20 trillion dollars we could have had free education and universal health care and attacked the homeless problem. Which is what the Democrats would have done with the money had they the power. And is all she is striving for. Once the idea, then everyone works "hard" to effect it. Cortez has raised so many issues that needed to be raised and I wonder why they have not been raised before? Here are a few of them: She didn't say anything controversial here. What she talked about, IMO, is not just a progressive platform. Outside of talking about taxing the 0.1% to pay for the platform(without saying how much) and being reasonable in defense spending(without talking about actual reductions), there were no real specifics in getting to the goals of universal health insurance, decreasing income inequality and having education more available. What she has to get figured out is how to get this agenda passed and paid for as well as how to keep it on the up and up in the courts. It is one thing to talk about getting things done and another thing to get things done in this hyperpartisan environment. Because she has become the new boogie man for the Republicans, she might find it hard to get people to agree to reasonable solutions on the other side of the aisle. I hope she can get things done but will wait to see her approach and results. Her initial thing with Pelosi's office speaks to some immaturity and lack of knowledge of how things work. Hopefully, she can learn to be more effective, especially after she gets into office. She is green and I am willing to give her time to figure things out.

To: NAG1 who wrote (391926)	12/16/2018 4:19:43 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 542260

We know how to do universal health care. We can always expand medicaid or copy Canada's and the UK's and other western programs. How to do this is no mystery and we would have done it by now except for the fucking Republicans. What, every other western Democracy can figure it out, but the richest country on earth can't? What are we idiots? Well, yes the Republican party is pretty idiotic. We can pass it all in 2020 as we will control everything. Easy Peasy. Getting things done is no problem once you have the power. And the idea. <<, There were no real specifics in getting to the goals of universal health insurance, decreasing income inequality and having education more available. What she has to get figured out is how to get this agenda passed and paid for as well as how to keep it on the up and up in the courts. It is one thing to talk about getting things done and another thing to get things