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To: sense who wrote (187141)4/29/2022 6:05:20 AM
From: maceng2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218919
 
<<And, no one addresses it correctly... because the correct answer is NO...>>

Agreed. The right time to deal with Russia in Ukraine was back in 2014 / 2015.

Excuse the grumble rant below. It's usually necessary to step through the grumble first. I shall follow up hopefully with much shorter positive thinking note.

The ball was dropped and deliberately not picked up. The the Russian paramilitary insurgents in Donbass (et al) and local resistance fighters were bombarded by Ukraine military, and a guerrilla war fought against Ukraine military. Civilian deaths as usual. Various atrocities and reprisals , probably by both sides.

Meanwhile the OSC counted the exchange of fire like a tennis match umpire, accurately as far as I can tell, an noted Advantage Ukraine. All this was the highest grade propaganda handed to Putin on a 24 carat gold platter to pass along to the Russian population for nearly a decade.

OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine | OSCE

There was time to prepare for this. If a war is going to be fought, best plan is to win it. I am not impressed with to hoopla in the Western Press to date. Super "go get um" for war and the war industry, while the super fubar event has already happened since 2014. .

I have to hand it to the Russians, they have come a long long way in Propaganda since Radio Moscow in the 1970's. As a young person in those days I would laugh at it. Now who have they got? Scott Ritter. An experienced and knowledgeable ex military person with an honorable record of going out on a wing sorting out the lies of WMD in Iraq. They have RT too, and they make a point of being more accurate and honest appreciation of world evens, with real journalism, before putting thier version of reality on things.

Who have the West got? Far as I know it's Greta Thurnberg for the WEF and Justin Trudeau with his European Halo. Both shooting themselves in the foot as far as dealing with the Russians, Energy use, and dictatorial governments are concerned.

That isn't going hack it imho. So, like the Irish MEP says, it's best to negotiate with the Russian as best as possible, unless the quality of our BS can improve. Maybe that should be explained to the Ukrainians, like it or not. So far their answer is to kill anyone who seeks any kind of settlement, and no Western Leaders have a problem with that. Looks like they have been keen to get this war started and just as keen to lose it.

So what’s next? See next message.



To: sense who wrote (187141)4/29/2022 6:19:44 AM
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You are right. Russia didn't get to decide whether Team USA would fight them or not. They could choose only how to respond. They chose to NOT surrender. Which was an obvious choice for them given hundreds of years of not having a choice whether they'd be attacked or not, from Napoleon to Barbarossa.

Why that bit of obviousness seems to elude so many people... I don't know...

It's a puzzle why that eludes you, even when it's explained to you.

Putin has explained his reasons many times. But for some reason, crazed Yanks make up obvious rubbish such as he wants to take over Europe, recreate the USSR, conquer the world. Since the facts of his actions match his words, it is a good bet that what he said matched what he thought. The whole terrible horror and maybe infinitely worse [MAD] could have been easily avoided. But USA was hell-bent on attacking Russia, so Putin didn't have a choice, other than how to respond.

But it all eludes you for some reason.

Mqurice



To: sense who wrote (187141)4/29/2022 6:36:07 AM
From: maceng2  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 218919
 
May is coming up. Looks to me the Russians are on schedule for whatever they have planned.

My suggestion is not overly interfere with that schedule. Allow Russian "victory" in whatever form that takes, and most importantly bite lip, until it bleeds if necessary, and play ball with Russians. Let them do their win bit. Sure complain and lament at shocking unfairness of the universe, which is real, and so forth.

Then what happens? The inevitable. The Ukraine ultra-nationalists will copycat earlier Russian paramilitaries and guerrilla war ensues. The chances of changing those guys attitude, as is, is zero, zilch. They will never give in.

The Russians are not so hot, they will make a balls up of many things in their supposed victory, oligarchs and all. The new Russian Enclave will deteriorate as the West does as best they can to insulate themselves from Russian aggression, only this time for real. It's not just a military build up, but an economic and energy independence too. btw I always did wonder why Trump got so heavy handed over the German pipeline. Now its more apparent.

Then Boris and Joe, whomever, do a Tony Blair's Northern Ireland peace process repeat in Ukraine. The Good Friday agreement type of thing and peace ensues.

One interesting tit bit regarding Northern Ireland is when they interred all the Ultra Terrorists from both sides Catholic and Protestant, together... more or less, after a year or two the two sides started understanding each other and realised they were all misinformed human beings and that peace was actually better than war. I am expect a repeat of that process... human nature is what it is.

Then the politicians can go around advertising themselves as upgraded versions of Churchill and Roosevelt, the Ukrainians have lasting peace and everyone is happy. History can present Putin as a conciliatory and graceful victor in the Ukraine conflict. Maybe not true, but who really gives a chit about the truth once things are OK ?

Just a thought that occurred.