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To: teevee who wrote (14297)	9/27/2022 5:11:58 PM
From: kidl	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

Blowing up pipelines just doesn't fit Biden's modus operandi. Putin, on the other hand, now no longer has to come up with fake excuses for stopping deliveries via Nord 1.

To: teevee who wrote (14297)	9/27/2022 7:36:20 PM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Recommended By Glenn Petersen Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

You realize your link contains no statement by Biden that he sabotaged the pipeline. Partially because "sabotaged" is past tense and his statements where future tense, but mostly because "ending" Nordstream 2 was about arranging for it to never be used. Which the German government agreed to (they also said Nordstream 2 would not be certified if Russia invades), and so the pipeline was never brought online. No need to sabotage it, as it was doing nothing and had no prospect of doing anything any time soon, and reasonably likely not ever (unless perhaps a much more peaceful and friendly government took over in Russia and even then there would be concerns about over-dependence on Russia). Edit - It wasn't going to be used in Germany or any other EU or NATO country or candidate country (it went through Finland, Sweden, and Denmark) but perhaps Russia had some use of the tiny part of it on Russian land. No real important use but maybe something. Also technically it was certified and then the certification was suspended or revoked, but the key point is with the possible exception of a small part of the pipeline in Russia it was not in use. Also there is no evidence that it was blown up. There was gas leaks no news about catastrophic explosions.

To: teevee who wrote (14297)	9/27/2022 8:19:38 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 15987

US military blew up Nordstream pipeline: twitter.com threadreaderapp.com It is reasonably suspected that the pipeline was blown up by the special services of Britain or the United States in order to finally close the issue of gas supplies to Germany and complete its full economic vassalization. An expeditionary detachment of US Navy ships led by the universal amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge days ago was in the Baltic Sea It was 30 km from the site of the alleged sabotage on the Nord Stream-1 gas pipeline and 50 km from the threads of Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline On September 2, interesting maneuvers performed by an American helicopter with the call sign FFAB123. Then it was assumed that this board was from the USS Kearsarge air wing, and today more details were looked. According to the website ads-b.nl , this call sign was used by 6 boards that day, of which we managed to establish the side numbers of three. All of them are Sikorsky MH-60S. By superimposing the FFAB123 route on the scheme of yesterday's accident, we get a rather interesting result — the helicopter either flew along the Nord Stream-2 highway, or even between the points where the accident occurred. On Twitter, meanwhile, there were screenshots of other flights of American aviation — the following screenshot was taken on September 13. And finally, we need to pay attention to the June article in Sea Power, where the Americans brag about experiments in the field of underwater drones, which they put on exercises BALTOPS 22 — just in the area of the island of Bronholm. And YES, there was US military training there Tom