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Disciplined Investing, especially the NAIC way
An SI Board Since February 1999
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Emcee:  The Philosopher Type:  Unmoderated
Many threads on SI seem to focus more on rumor, today's news, hot tips, and short-term trading than on the discipline of fundamental stock analysis, careful and realistic study of a company and its prospects, and a long-term approach to investing that seeks to build wealth over time rather than to view the stock market as an alternative to the casino or the lottery.

After about twenty years of hit-and-miss investing, relying mostly on tips from friends, magazines, and brokers and pure guesswork, I decided that if I was going to rely on my investments in significant part for a comfortable retirement I should get at least semi-serious about investing. After considerable reading, I concluded that the way to true wealth for me was a long-term focus on solid stocks that I studied and understood. I also discovered the NAIC and the SSG. I found a few friends in the same basic position I was and we started an NAIC club. (Although I am still a beginning learner myself, on the principle that the best way to learn a subject is to teach it I got recruited to teach a beginning investing class on the SSG for our local community college.)

I searched SI for a thread where disciplined long-term investors were exchanging ideas on stock analysis and individual stocks of interest, and perhaps even discussing NAIC principles. Finding no such thread, but after exchanging messages with another NAIC club member on SI who was interested, I decided to start this thread.

I invite discussion of investing topics and principles, of both the growth and value approaches. (For example: What are the relative strengths and weaknesses of the price-sales ratio and PEG? What are the best sources and methods for estimating growth potential in a company? What are the limitations of book value accounting, and how can one value such assets as patents, trade names, and the like? What are some accounting problems or concerns to look out for or footnotes which should raise red flags? And on and on...)

I also invite discussion of the NAIC SSG approach to evaluating stocks, including its value and weaknesses in evaluating high tech companies such as Intel and Microsoft which seem seldom to fall into a "buy" range but have been good investments for quite significant periods of time.

I also invite the exchange of information on individual stocks which you have studied and want discussion about.

Please, however, do NOT use this thread for hot stock tips, news of the latest IPO, etc. There are plenty of threads where such "only good today" information is welcomed, but this is not one.

I emphasize that this is NOT a thread only for "experts." The more I learn the more I understand the importance of keeping well grounded in basic principles. Questions from people who know little about fundamental analysis but are serious about learning can often be the most useful questions and start the most interesting discussions. So please don't be intimidated if you think your question is "dumb"; as long as you are serious about learning, there can be no dumb question, because if you have it you can be sure that many others do, too.
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469If you want to follow some of the discussion on the current problems of NAIC, thThe Philosopher-11/5/2004
468NAIC Is Under Investigation.... Stock-club adviser probed freep.com249443-10/17/2004
467If markets were logical every day, there would be no need for intelligence.The Philosopher-4/30/2004
466Hi Chris, Some days I can't win for losing... <ggg> The company comeEL KABONG!!!-4/27/2004
465I sold my MDT for a 9.5% profit. Nervous about the market and trimming some oth- with a K-4/16/2004
464ACS Yahoo post: From Goldman Sachs by: moralcare 04/15/04 02:09 pm Msg: 4777 o- with a K-4/15/2004
463<i>My investment club used to own JNJ before we closed shop permanently. WThe Philosopher-4/12/2004
462Hi Chris, <I>I don't know about safer, but I'm up 10% in six weekEL KABONG!!!-4/11/2004
461I don't know about safer, but I'm up 10% in six weeks -- 2/3 of the way The Philosopher-4/10/2004
460Hi Chris, How's the ACS going? UTSI has been down over the past few weeks, EL KABONG!!!-4/7/2004
459More ACS good news: Affiliated Computer replaces Travelers in S&P 500 Monda- with a K-3/29/2004
458Zacks plugs ACS. (Edit: I took a small position in NAIC favorite Metronic [MDT- with a K-3/29/2004
457News relating to ACS: Powell Reassures India on Technology Jobs March 17, 2004 - with a K-3/18/2004
456FYI on UTSI: UTStarcom Announces Stock Repurchase Program ALAMEDA, Calif., Marc- with a K-3/13/2004
455I remember our posts here about HD and LOW and think of it as a missed opportuni- with a K-3/8/2004
454I'm wondering whether I should take a fresh look at HD. I looked at them anThe Philosopher-3/8/2004
453Added to ACS here. What else looks interesting? (EOM)- with a K-3/8/2004
452I would not be reluctant to add more if I hadn't bought my fill on the firstThe Philosopher-3/8/2004
451Must be luck, Christopher, as I believe I got in before you but I'm only up - with a K-3/8/2004
450Looks good. Good thing, since I jumped in a week or so ago. I'm already upThe Philosopher-3/8/2004
449ACS upgraded at Deutsche 50.46: Deutsche Bank upgrades Affiliated Computer to Bu- with a K-3/8/2004
448RE: <I>Do either of you know what's behind the $402.5 mil in new debt EL KABONG!!!-3/5/2004
447Hi Chris, Ellis Traub on ROE... aaii.com KJCEL KABONG!!!-3/5/2004
446If I think of it, I'll try to dig up Ellis's argument from somewhere. BThe Philosopher-3/5/2004
445>>ROE is not all that important a figure. With all the scandals and earn- with a K-3/5/2004
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