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To: jttmab who wrote (165649)7/9/2005 3:03:09 PM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Just my own opinion, but I think Jesus would disown the whole lot of supposed, organized, "Christians", were he to return.



To: jttmab who wrote (165649)7/9/2005 6:54:38 PM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
>> Hogwash. It doesn't say that at all. You're behaving like a Protestant, interpreting your own bible to say what you want. <<

your words imply that you are a roman catholic. shall i reprove you with a letter from St. Jerome to St. Augustine, the two most highly exalted Fathers of the roman catholic church?

ST. AUGUSTINE

LETTERS 58-86

From the Second Division, which consists of letters which were written from the beginning of his episcopate to just before the time of and before the conference held with the donatists at carthage, and the discovery of the heresy of Pelagius in Africa (a.d. 396-410).



LETTER LXXV. (A.D. 404.)

Jerome's answer to Letters XXVIII., XL, and LXXI.

TO AUGUSTIN, MY LORD TRULY HOLY, AND MOST BLESSED FATHER, JEROME SENDS GREETING IN CHRIST.

13. The matter in debate, therefore, or I should rather say your opinion regarding it, is summed up in this: that since the preaching of the gospel of Christ, the believing Jews do well in observing the precepts of the law, i.e. in offering sacrifices as Paul did, in circumcising their children, as Paul did in the case of Timothy, and keeping the Jewish Sabbath, as all the Jews have been accustomed to do. If this be true, we fall into the heresy of Cerinthus and Ebion, who, though believing in Christ, were anathematized by the fathers for this one error, that they mixed up the ceremonies of the law with the gospel of Christ, and professed their faith in that which was new, without letting go what was old. Why do I speak of the Ebionites, who make pretensions to the name of Christian? In our own day there exists a sect among the Jews throughout all the synagogues of the East, which is called the sect of the Minei, and is even now condemned by the Pharisees. The adherents to this sect are known commonly as Nazarenes; they believe in Christ the Son of God, born of, the Virgin Mary; and they say that He who suffered under Pontius Pilate and rose again, is the same as the one in whom we believe. But while they desire to be both Jews and Christians, they are neither the one nor the other. I therefore beseech you, who think that you are called upon to heal my slight wound, which is no more, so to speak, than a prick or scratch from a needle, to devote your skill in the healing art to this grievous wound, which has been opened by a spear driven home with the impetus of a javelin. For there is surely no proportion between the culpability of him who exhibits the various opinions held by the fathers in a commentary on Scripture, and the guilt of him who reintroduces within the Church a most pestilential heresy. If, however, there is for us no alternative but to receive the Jews into the Church, along with the usages prescribed by their law; if, in short, it shall be declared lawful for them to continue in the Churches of Christ what they have been accustomed to practise in the synagogues of Satan, I will tell you my opinion of the matter: they will not become Christians, but they will make us Jews.



To: jttmab who wrote (165649)7/9/2005 6:57:12 PM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
is St. Jerome a highly regarded Father of the roman church or not?

ST. JEROME

LETTERS 73-107



LETTER LXXXIV: TO PAMMACHIUS AND OCEANUS.

A calm letter in which Jerome defines and justifies his own attitude towards Origen, but unduly minimizes his early enthusiasm for him. He admires him in the same way that Cyprian admired Tertullian but does not in any way adopt his errors. He then describes his own studies and recounts his obligations to Apollinaris, Didymus, and a Jew named Bar-anina. The rest of the letter deals with the errors of Origen, the state of the text of his writings, and the eulogy of him composed by the martyr Pamphilus (the authenticity of which Jerome assails without any sufficient reason). The date of the letter is 400 A .D.

3. In my younger days I was carried away with a great passion for learning, yet I was not like some presumptuous enough to teach myself. At Antioch I frequently listened to Apollinaris of Laodicea, and attended his lectures; yet, although he instructed me in the holy scriptures, I never embraced his disputable doctrine as to their meaning. At length my head became sprinkled with gray hairs so that I looked more like a master than a disciple. Yet I went on to Alexandria and heard Didymus.(2) And I have much to thank him for: for what I did not know I learned from him, and what I knew already I did not forget. So excellent was his teaching. Men fancied that I had now made an end of learning. Yet once more I came to Jerusalem and to Bethlehem. What trouble and expense it cost me to get Baraninas(3) to teach me under cover of night. For by his fear of the Jews he presented to me in his own person a second edition of Nicodemus.(4) Of all of these I have frequently made mention in my works. The doctrines of Apollinaris and of Didymus are mutually contradictory. The squadrons of the two leaders must drag me in different directions, for I acknowledge both as my masters. If it is expedient to hate any men and to loath any race, I have a strange dislike to those of the circumcision. For up to the present day they persecute our Lord Jesus Christ in the synagogues of Satan.(5) Yet can anyone find fault with me for having had a Jew as a teacher? Does a certain person dare to bring forward against me the letter I wrote to Didymus calling him my master? It is a great crime, it would seem, for me a disciple to give to one both old and learned the name of master. And yet when I ask leave to look at the letter which has been held over so long to discredit me at last, there is nothing in it but courteous language and a few words of greeting. Such charges are both foolish and frivolous. It would be more to the point to exhibit a passage in which I have defended heresy or praised some wicked doctrine of Origen. In the portion of Isaiah which describes the crying of the two seraphim(6) he explains these to be the Son and the Holy Ghost; but have not I altered this hateful explanation into a reference to the two testaments?(7) I have the book in my hand as it was published twenty years ago. In numbers of my works and especially in my commentaries I have, as occasion has offered, mangled this heathen school. And if my opponents allege that I have done more than anyone else to form a collection of Origen's books, I answer that I only wish I could have the works of all theological writers that by diligent study of them, I might make up for the slowness of my own wits. I have made a collection of his books, I admit; but because I know everything that he has written I do not follow his errors. I speak as a Christian to Christians: believe one who has tried him. His doctrines are poisonous, they are unknown to the Holy Scriptures, nay more, they do them violence. I have read Origen, I repeat, I have read him; and if it is a crime to read him, I admit my guilt: indeed, these Alexandrian writings have emptied my purse. If you will believe me, I have never been an Origenist: if you will not believe me, I have now ceased to be one. But if even this fails to convince you, you will compel me in self-defence to write against your favourite, so that, if you will not believe me when I disclaim him, you will have to believe me when I attack him. But I find readier credence when I go wrong than when I shew amendment. And this is not surprising, for my would-be friends suppose me a fellow-disciple with them in the arcana of their system. I am loath, they fancy, to profess esoteric doctrines before persons who according to them are brute-like and made of clay. For it is an axiom with them that pearls ought not to be lightly cast before swine, nor that which is holy given to the dogs.(1) They agree with David when he says: "Thy word have I hid in mine heart that I might not sin against thee;"(2) and when in another place he describes the righteous man as one "who speaketh truth with his neighbour,"(3) that is with those who "are of the household of faith."(4) From these passages they conclude that those of us who as yet are uninitiated ought to be told falsehoods, lest, being still unweaned babes, we should be choked by too solid food. Now that perjury and lying enter into their mysteries and form a bond between them appears most clearly from the sixth book of Origen's Miscellanies,(5) in which he harmonizes the Christian doctrine(6) with the conceptions of Plato.



To: jttmab who wrote (165649)7/9/2005 7:05:16 PM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
let every word be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses. St. John Chrysostom is the greatest Father in the eastern Orthodox Church (the only true Church of Christ), and he is also recognized as a saint in the heretical roman catholic church.

ST. JOHN CHRYSOSTOM

ADVERSUS JUDAEOS

HOMILY I

III

Many, I know, respect the Jews and think that their present way of life is a venerable one. This is why I hasten to uproot and tear out this deadly opinion. I said that the synagogue is no better than a theater and I bring forward a prophet as my witness. Surely the Jews are not more deserving of belief than their prophets. "You had a harlot's brow; you became shameless before all". Where a harlot has set herself up, that place is a brothel. But the synagogue is not only a brothel and a theater; it also is a den of robbers and a lodging for wild beasts. Jeremiah said: "Your house has become for me the den of a hyena". He does not simply say "of wild beast", but "of a filthy wild beast", and again: "I have abandoned my house, I have cast off my inheritance". But when God forsakes a people, what hope of salvation is left? When God forsakes a place, that place becomes the dwelling of demons.

3) If, then, the Jews fail to know the Father, if they crucified the Son, if they thrust off the help of the Spirit, who should not make bold to declare plainly that the synagogue is a dwelling of demons? God is not worshipped there. Heaven forbid! From now on it remains a place of idolatry. But still some people pay it honor as a holy place.

4)......I asked him if were a Christian, and he said he was. Then I set upon him vigorously, charging him with lack of feeling and the worst stupidity; I told him he was no better off than a mule if he, who professed to worship Christ, would drag someone off to the dens of the Jews who had crucified him.

(7) The Jews frighten you as if you were little children, and you do not see it. Many wicked slaves show frightening and ridiculous masks to youngsters-the masks are not frightening by their nature, but they seem so to the children's simple minds-and in this way they stir up many a laugh. This is the way the Jews frighten the simpler-minded Christians with the bugbears and hobgoblins of their shrines. Yet how could their ridiculous and disgraceful synagogues frighten you? Are they not the shrines of men who have been rejected, dishonored, and condemned?

IV

(2) Tell me, then, are their shrines awful and frightening? Who would say so? what reasons do we have for thinking that they are frightening unless someone should tell us that dishonored slaves, who have no right to speak and who have been driven from their Master's home, should frighten us, who have been given honor and the freedom to speak? Certainly this is not the case. Inns are not more august then royal palaces. Indeed the synagogue is less deserving of honor than any inn. It is not merely a lodging place for robbers and cheats but also for demons. This is true not only of the synagogues but also of the souls of the Jews, as I shall try to prove at the end of my homily.

VI

(2) You must apply the same argument to the synagogue. Even if there is no idol there, still demons do inhabit the place. And I say this not only about the synagogue here in town but about the one in Daphne as well; for at Daphne you have a more wicked place of perdition which they call Matrona's. I have heard that many of the faithful go up there and sleep beside the place.

(4) So the godlessness of the Jews and the pagans is on a par. But the Jews practice a deceit which is more dangerous. In their synagogue stands an invisible altar of deceit on which they sacrifice not sheep and calves but the souls of men.

6) Certainly it is the time for me to show that demons dwell in the synagogue, not only in the place itself but also in the souls of the Jews. As Christ said: "When an unclean spirit is gone out, he walks through dry places seeking rest. If he does not find it he says: I shall return to my house. And coming he finds it empty, swept, and garnished. Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself and they enter into him and the last state of that man is made worse than the first. So shall it be also to this generation".



To: jttmab who wrote (165649)7/9/2005 7:17:09 PM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
>> That is strictly referring to Jews. In other passages of the New Testament, Jesus named such fake "Jews", i.e., the Pharisees and Saducees <<

ALL those who call themselves jews but reject the king of the Jews Jesus Christ belong to the synagogue of satan. you cannot deny Jesus Christ and be a Jew in the eyes of God. You can only be a "jew" in the eyes of men.

If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (1 Corinthians 16:22)

do you know what anathema means? it means accursed! if any one calls himself a jew but does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, he is accursed, just as Christ cursed the fruitless fig-tree--which is the synagogue of satan!

all the faithful and pious Jews such as the blessed virgin Mother of God, the Theotokos, and the apostles love the Lord Jesus Christ.

anyone who deems himself to be some kind of jew while rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ is accursed and is not a Jew in the eyes of God.

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

there is no such thing as a holy synagogue. all gatherings of so-called "jews" (who are really liars) are synagogues of satan. even all these messianic synagogues are the synagogue of satan, for they do not exalt the mark of Christ, but they exalt the mark of antichrist.



To: jttmab who wrote (165649)7/9/2005 7:22:49 PM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
>> Judaism in fact, believes in the Messiah. <<

nonsense, contemporary judaism is looking for the false messiah.

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. (John 5:43)

ancient temple judaism was a valid religion acceptable to God prior to the manifestation of the Savior to the world. it ceased to be a valid religion when God destroyed the temple, and cast the jews out of babylon almost 2,000 years ago.



To: jttmab who wrote (165649)7/9/2005 7:48:08 PM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
>> The Orthodox church split away from the Roman Catholic Church and then further divided over the years into other churches. <<

Christ's true Church cannot be "split" anymore than Christ himself can be divided, for Christ and his Church are one body. the proper expression would not be to say that the Church split in 1054, but to say that the latins (roman catholics) left the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of Christ in 1054.

>> It's the Roman Catholic Church that has the successor to St. Peter. <<

i think it would behove you to explore your roman catholic faith some more before we engage in further discussion. did you know that the holy apostle St. Peter was bishop in antioch prior to and for a longer duration than he was in rome? the Church was first established in jerusalem, so if we were inclined to follow the roman catholic reasoning jerusalem would take precedence over antioch and rome.

>> That's certainly not in the New Testament. <<

well then prove it. i challenge you to prove to me using the scriptures or the holy fathers how subsequent to the establishment of Christ's Church judaism is still to be practiced. the scriptures and the fathers say just the opposite.

>> Fair enough, and Peter was the first Pope and there is a continuous line of succession to St. Peter in the RC Church. <<

first pope of what? antioch? St. Peter consecrated bishops in antioch before he ever traveled to rome. furthermore, when the latin popes left the true Church the grace of the Holy Spirit left them and they can lay hands on whomever they wish, but it is meaningless. this is in the canons of the Church. baptisms or laying on of hands by heretics are not valid and amount to nothing. the pope of rome heretically departed from the true catholic Church, the Holy Orthodox Church, and in departing from the true faith the Holy Spirit departed from them. (not unlike how when king Saul departed from the commandment of the Lord, the Lord rejected him and took the Holy Spirit and the anointing away from him and anointed king David in his stead.)

>> Here Jesus of Nazareth says that is with the Church till the end of the world. To suggest that the RC Church is not the true Chuch is to suggest that Jesus has broken his word. <<

i am pleased to see that you understand the principal that there can only be One True Church. you are correct in recognizing that Christ would be breaking his word if there was not always one and only one true Church since the time of Christ. this quickly eliminates all claims by protestants to the claim of being Christ's true Church. for they have only been around for 500 years.

that leaves only two possible candidates to be Christ's one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church, for there have been only two churches which existed since the time of the apostles up until now:

1) the True (Eastern Orthodox)
2) the False (since 1054 a.d.) (Roman Catholic/Latin)



To: jttmab who wrote (165649)7/9/2005 7:51:41 PM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
the sacred scriptures and the holy fathers teach that the jews were prohibited from practicing the law outside of jerusalem. this is a demonstrable fact which i will endeavor to prove to anyone who desires to know the truth. this whole antichrist inspired earthly zionist movement is all focused toward one goal. to pave the way for the coming of antichrist and his tower of babylon.

Christ came unto his own (the jews) and they received him not, antichrist will come unto his own (the jews) and him they will receive. (John 5:43)

when the jews rejected the Lord Jesus Christ he made an example of them by destroying the city, the temple, the priesthood, their entire way of life. besides the two million jews who perished in the siege of jerusalem in 70 a.d., many more were scattered from babylon to the four corners of the earth, carried off in bondage as slaves. the jew became a curse, a taunt, a proverb, a byword amongst all men. jews became wanderers and vagabonds. all the curses outlined in deuteronomy 28 came upon them for their utter rejection of their God and Saviour.

the pitiful jews are God's memorial to the world that rejection and slaying of his Son is the utmost blasphemy against God, the unpardonable sin.

after all, what is the most heinous crime you can imagine? surely murder you would say. i can think of something worse. murdering your own children. after all, some who are murdered are worthy of death, and it's a blessing that they no longer walk the face of earth.

but children? innocent children? your own no less? is there any crime more heinous and wicked then murdering your own children? this is precisely what the jews did. read ezekiel 16 or ezekiel 20 if you do not believe me.

and yet for all this, after all the whoredoms and abominations of israel, all the idolatry, all the incest, even human sacrifice of their own children, God shewed them mercy, and brought them back into the land. he restored the temple, returned the priesthood, prophets and law, their way of life.

so how would one explain the following 1800 years? the jews were exiled from the land for 1800+ years--no temple, no priesthood, no prophets for all that time. after all their wicked abominations before, God always took pity on them for his namesake and brought them back.

now you must understand that the entire period of jewish history from moses until the coming of Jesus the Messiah only spanned 1500 years. in that time the northern tribes and then the southern kingdom of judah were carried off into captivity and also returned on more than one occasion.

now we must ask ourselves, if the jews are to be believed, and Jesus was a malefactor and not the Son of God, then why wouldn't God have rewarded them for executing a malefactor that sought to deceive the whole world and turn men away from the One True God?

and yet what happened? God not only did not reward them, he slew them and scattered them to the four winds, to be nomads and vagabonds throughout every corner of the earth!

now is this logical? why would God restore the jews to their way of life after they sacrificed their own children in the fire to devils, and yet after (if we are to believe their lies) they crucified a malefactor they were punished far greater and far longer?

of course we know the truth. Jesus was not a malefactor but is God and the Son of God. and as a testimony for all time to all men, God shows that no matter how vile and wicked your crimes may be, nothing surpasses the outrage of slaying God. nothing brings greater wrath,

For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. (1 Thessalonians 2:14-16)

the holy apostle Paul makes it clear why God's wrath has come upon the jews to the uttermost. the jews killed the Prince of life, and they crucify the Son afresh every time they try to prevent others from hearing the good news of Jesus Christ.

now the jews will say, it was not God that was punishing us these 1900 years, it was men, acting contrary to the will of God. what blasphemy O jew! you (falsely) claim to be the chosen people of God, the apple of his eye, and now you claim he has no power to save you? did not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob save you from your affliction at the hands of men in egypt? did not the same God rescue from your captors in babylon? does the Almighty who allowed you to rout amalek, who caused the walls of jericho to come crashing down, not have the power to save you out of your affliction these past 1900 years? why were you not allowed to be back in the land you crave so much? why has there been no prophets for 1900+ years, if you did a righteous thing and slew a malefactor?

but then the pitiful unbelieving jew will say, but this is all about to change! God is gathering us back to OUR land, God is going to let us have OUR temple back, we are going to regain the throne of solomon in all his glory!

Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. (Isaiah 66:1-4)

yes God will choose the delusions of men, and send strong delusion to those who love not the truth and allow them to build their tower of babel...

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12)

yes, God is allowing earthly zionism to occur...

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. (1 Corinthians 11:19)

and God will allow antichrist to gather the tares into jerusalem, so that they may be separated from the wheat and burned in the fiery furnace. and God is going to allow antichrist to order a city and tower (the idol's temple) to be built in his name and for his glory, and not for the glory of God.

God is going to separate the sheep from the goats via his two covenants--one a covenant of life, the other a covenant of death. Jesus Christ is our everlasting covenant of peace. antichrist is going to re-establish the old covenant imposing circumcision and saturday sabbath observance, and temple sacrifice, etc.

the religion of antichrist is the old covenant law of works which has been abolished, for the true covenant (not the shadow) and the true Law is Jesus Christ himself.

the zionist jews are going to serve antichrist and they need control over the city of jerusalem and a temple and a priesthood to fulfill their strong delusions.

opposing the earthly form of zionism is opposing the kingdom of antichrist that is being paved.

no jerusalem, no temple, no priesthood means no antichrist!

>> The land of Palestine has replaced the golden calf. <<

the land of palestine is being prepared for the entrance of the golden calf--the antichrist.

Jesus Christ is the true Lamb of God:

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all....But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; (Hebrews 10)

Satan fell from grace, and was cast out of heaven:

I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. (Luke 10:18)

Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.(Galatians 5:2-4)

this is Satan's desire, that we fall from grace as he fell from grace. he will seek to accomplish his plan by deceiving the nations into circumcision and outward works of the old covenant law such as carnal sabbath keeping. this is how Christ will separate the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the chaff.

you cannot practice the old covenant jewish law of moses without forsaking grace--Jesus Christ.

the old covenant law of moses cannot be practiced outside of jerusalem, it is simply forbidden in the scriptures. as much as the jews would like you to believe that their talmudic judaism is pleasing to God, is in actuality a farce and even worse than a farce, it is blasphemy.

for instance, how many jewish people do you know who make the pretense of observing the feast of unleavened bread and passover in their home every year? do these children of darkness really think they are pleasing God when they engage in this charade?

they are not doing this for God, they are doing this solely to impress men. they think they can deceive Christians into believing that they are faithfully upholding the law of moses when they are blaspheming both moses and God.

read deuteronomy 16. the scriptures are clear that passover was not to be sacrificed anywhere outside jerusalem. yet for nearly 2,000 years jews have not been in jerusalem, observing the passover contrary to the law and provoking God to his face.

Deuteronomy 16:

Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there....Thou mayest not sacrifice the passover within any of thy gates, which the LORD thy God giveth thee: But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt...Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:

you see, the talmudic religion of the jews for the last 2,000 years has been a fraud, a deceit, a farce, a contrivance, a blasphemy. Christians throughout the centuries knew this, and that's why the jews were not given the mastery, but were cursed wherever they went, a punishment for their obstinate fighting against God.

but now Christians, who are the new Israel, the true Israel, the true Jews, the true Zion, are turning away from the Lord ourselves. like Jacob, we are waxen fat, and are fit for slaughter. to the extent that we forsake our Savior, he rebukes and chastens us by our enemies. in the old covenant israel were the chosen people God and the egyptians and the assyrians, the babylonians, etc. were their enemies. when they rebelled against the Lord and forsook his commandments, the Lord would correct them by allowing their enemies to take them captive.

this has all changed in the new covenant dispensation. now Christians are the people of God and the jews are the enemies of Christ and Christians. the jews are the egyptians, the babylonians, etc. and God causes Christians to be carried off to mystery babylon (jerusalem) when we disobey.

this is a very simple concept. the gentiles that accepted Christ have become jews (branches grafted onto the olive tree), and the jews who reject Christ are branches that have become broken off from the olive tree and are no longer fruitful branches but dead branches.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:12)

the hymnology of the Church tells us that the synagogues is the fruitless fig-tree that Christ cursed. the unbelieving jews do not have Christ and are therefore in gross darkness, for Christ is the light of the world. they are broken and dry branches that are useless except to be gathered and burned in the fire. they cannot bring forth fruit if they are severed from the tree.

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. (John 15:4-6)

now it is clear that the jews and their synagogues are the unfruitful works of darkness.

And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. (Matthew 21:19)

Christ cursed the fig-tree (the synagogue) and said let no fruit grow on it henceforward forever.

the Ninth Ode of the Palm Sunday canon for Compline:

The rod of Moses was turned into a serpent, and
the rod of Aaron, which had been withered and
fruitless, was changed into a green branch that
brought forth leaves; but the lawless synagogue
was changed into a fruitless fig tree.
Thou hast cursed the fruitlessness of the law, since
it brought forth as leaves the shadow of
understanding of the letter, but had no fruit of
deeds because of its lawlessness. . . .

now in the old covenant israel fornicated with the nations around her and learned their ways, forsaking the admonition that they learn not the ways of the heathen, but be holy and set apart from the heaven.

new covenant israel (the Church) is repeating the mistakes of old israel. we are fornicating with the jews and learning their blasphemous ways. now, lest we become exalted with pride, and be branches that are broken off as well, we must acknowledge that this is our own fault, and that the jews are not forcing us to forsake Christ and his Church. we are doing this of our own free will, and to our own destruction.

the jews can seek to brainwash Christians all they want, but if we turn to Christ and walk in his paths and follow his commandments the jews will not be able to deceive us, rather Christ will enlighten us.

that is why people like emile and myself are trying our best with God's grace to follow the commandments of the Lord and expose the unfruitful works of darkness, so Christians will not hearken after their ways. for the ways of the jews and muslims lead to death and destruction.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (Ephesians 5:12)

therefore Christians ought not have any fellowship with muslims or jews but we should expose their unfruitful works of darkness.

if our detractors in their ignorance choose to call that hate, the Lord judge between ye and we.

Cyprian