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To: epicure who wrote (9522)	7/25/2006 12:55:41 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14758

I see you and Sully have done counts covering different periods of time, I sure. And come up with somewhat different conclusions. It appears plenty of people on both sides use words like traitor, unpatriotic, unAmerican and so on. My main point is that people on the left are mistaken to say it is something which only happens to them. It seems to me that conservatives tend to use terms like this in response to specific actions - like Kerry going to Paris to meet with North Vietnamese representatives during the VN war, or Kerry's overblown testimony about war atrocities committed by Americans in VN, or the NY Times exposing programs monitoring terrorist financing and communications. While the leftwingers who use these terms do so on the basis that simply supporting the Bush administration or the war effort is inherently unpatriotic, traitorous, etc. I will agree with one thing for sure and that's that EV belongs in a category of his own. Certainly he could be called very far-right (based on his past David Duke support) but for a long time almost all the people he allies with on SI are leftwing. Which brings up another issue re. left vs right wing. Twice in the past week, I've been asked whether I was Israeli by a leftwinger on SI (and I think they meant the question as an insult). And the preceding issues being discussed had nothing to do with Israel - unless you buy the whole Bush administration as neocon (ie. Jewish) pawns conspiracy theory. It seems obvious to me that hostility to Jews is getting rampant on the left.

To: epicure who wrote (9522)	8/5/2006 10:27:51 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14758

Your search was flawed. I know because I use the same search engine. Searching on the word "traitors" simply reduces the number of hits. SI's search engin will pick up both "traitor" & "traitors" when you search on the word "traitor". No matter how you slice it, libs still use traitor(s) far more often than conservatives as an epithet. At least when conservatives use it, there are a fair number of instances where it is applied to acts or people that fit the definition, IE, Kerry's meeting with the enemy twice while still an officer in the military, his involvement in an assassination plot against US Senators & Kerry's false war crimes allegations under oath to the Senate, ET AL. - Gore's, "He betrayed this country!" ET AL, - the NYT & other MSM outlets aiding & abbeting the enemy by illegally leaking classified info, ET AL. Libs throw traitor out on things like the "Bush leid" meme. IOW, they cling to a misguided belief in a thoroughly discredited lie somehow justifies calling someone a traitor. And libs far more often allege they have been called a traitor or are considered a traitor (sans any proof) far more often than conservatives. Search on "traitors" Libs using "traitors" as an epithet Message 22659088 Message 22604681 Message 22621381 Message 22592297 Message 22672251 Message 22632532 Message 22597177 Message 22593290 Message 22622664 Message 22622932 Message 22608578 Message 22648969 Message 22621447 Message 22657294 Message 22625828 Message 22627602 Message 22644979 Message 22646667 Message 22661139 Message 22686344 Message 22687362 Message 22657306 Message 22659615 Message 22684039 Message 22687796 Libs alleging conservatives have already, or will call them traitors - Note how often it is done in a sneering, condecending attitude toward conservatives. Message 22661937 Message 22595106 Message 22593757 Message 22615451 Message 22595561 Message 22598183 Message 22660162 Message 22606537 Message 22637106 Message 22606910 Message 22607591 Message 22623671 Message 22612512 Message 22613844 Message 22669741 Message 22615434 Message 22648710 Message 22670235 Message 22672962 Message 22664000 Message 22663614 Message 22622551 Message 22674046 Message 22679304 Message 22685825 Message 22660936 Message 22661402 conservatives using it as an epithet Message 22628708 Message 22669254 Message 22658849 Message 22667670 Message 22667778 Message 22622224 conservatives alleging libs have already, or will call them traitors Message 22627211 articles on the MSM's illegal leaking gov't programs that aid & abet the enemy that call them "traitors" Message 22594181 Message 22601346 article, "How liberals injure blacks", including calling them "traitors" Message 22612512 conservatives using "traitor" NOT as an epithet (non-abusive or non-contemptuous) Message 22663111 Message 22656522 ********************************************************** Search on "traitor" libs using "traitor" as an epithet Message 22570465 Message 22642546 Message 22602652 Message 22594868 Message 22642915 articles documenting libs calling Lieberman a traitor Message 22607227 Message 22375560 Message 22631662 Message 22606733 Libs alleging conservatives have already, or will call them traitor - Note how often it is done in a sneering, condecending attitude toward conservatives.** Message 22590252 Message 22686607 Message 22591634 Message 22598449 Message 22590253 Message 22590312 Message 22590495 Message 22591810 Message 22591907 conservatives using "traitor" as an epithet Message 22606558 conservatives alleging conservatives have already, or will call them traitor Message 22604859 Kerry as traitor Message 22606135 conservatives using "traitor" NOT as an epithet (non-abusive or non-contemptuous) Message 22591979 Message 22592020