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To: jbe who wrote (11067)	10/24/1998 2:25:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Respond to of 67261

The reason that some pro-lifers basically oppose birth control as well as abortion is that they oppose pre-marital and extra-marital sex. In this view, the use of more and more sophisticated methods of both control will only encourage more pre-marital and extra-marital sex. jbe, I understand that point perfectly well. Decline of the West and all that. I've engaged in a bit of rabble-rousing to try to bring that out, advocating better contraception as a means of reducing abortion. mrknowitall at one point posted a similar view, but accused me of fear mongering for presenting the "absolutist" position on abortion as "mainstream". I don't know what constitutes mainstream "pro-life" sentiment, but I've seen no indication of less than an absolutist position by anyone posting pro-life sentiments here. Past "dialogue": Message 6125058 Message 6125403 Message 6125780 (where I become "fear mongering" for assuming posters here are representative of "pro-life" views) techstocks.com And then Dwight comes in with the partial abortion/impeach Clinton line. I'd previously engaged Dwight in Message 6059611 Message 6065399 (Dwight sounded pretty absolutist there) techstocks.com Finally, on the off chance that any innocent bystanders want some real information on the topic, there's this. THE ROLE OF CONTRACEPTION IN REDUCING ABORTION agi-usa.org I don't know if rabble-rousing on this topic is particularly wise, but after that NYT magazine article, the moral crusader wing of the Republican party seems a lot stronger than I thought. Maybe the Libertarian wing will emerge when push comes to shove, maybe not. Cheers, Dan.

To: jbe who wrote (11067)	10/25/1998 11:04:00 AM
From: mrknowitall	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

jbe - re: More birth control = more sex. I would complicate the equation to: More readily available birth control = more sexual activity without the risk of a pregnancy = less worry about the possibility of becoming pregnant = less chance of being stigmatized and feeling guilty = more sexual activity. The problem is that many young women are simply not very smart when it comes to using birth control. They make stupid decisions, as do all adolescents about things they don't think can ever happen to them. Particularly when it involves pressure from their companions. We have arrived at this tragic situation through a concerted effort to "free" us from sexual "hang-ups." Stigma is no longer politically correct and thus, children are exposed to sex and the resulting pregnancies among their peers as OK. Sure, it's inconvenient to "get pregnant," but don't let anyone say it's wrong - lest they be branded as intolerant RR whackos. Given that it is too late to correct the situation we have let creep into our society over the years through the liberal over-emphasis on "tolerance" and "freedom without responsibility or consequences," the only rational answer now to reducing the rate of murder by abortion is to reduce the potential for it through effective contraception. We have to attack a much more heinous evil by sacrificing another principle. Relativism, yechh. Mr. K.