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To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (5160)6/6/2000 9:42:00 AM
From: Rarebird  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 5676
 
Heinz: I wonder if this article on derivatives had anything to do with the most recent rise in Gold:

tfc.com



To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (5160)6/6/2000 10:53:00 AM
From: onurbius  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5676
 
Good Morning Heinz,

Thank you for the fascinating insight. I am convinced that eventually people will be hearing about this on the evening news in terms they can understand:

Anchor: "...in other words, it's kinda like constantly upgrading the faucet in your kitchen with all the lates stuff from Home Depot?"

Analyst: "Right. But what happens is that after you have spent so much time and money on the latest designer handle and valve, suddenly the water supply from the town dwindles to a slow drip..."



To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (5160)6/6/2000 2:43:00 PM
From: Tommaso  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 5676
 
Heinz, would you or someone explain clearly what "hedonic pricing" means? I guess I could figure it out from the context but I am to some extent a hedonic thinker (i.e. lazy).



To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (5160)6/6/2000 4:44:00 PM
From: Scott Bergquist  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5676
 
Heinz, you bring up many obvious points about productivity. Obvious to those of us watching this so-called "improvement".

On a micro-scale, I have seen in the past justifications for computer purchases based on a confabulated "ROI" wherein a gain in "productivity" for an engineer was constructed at 10%, at a salary of $80K, showing a purchase of at $1700 had a ROI of several hundred pct, etc etc. You get the picture! In fact, what happens is, the engineer who worked furiously at a task taking nine hours, now gets it done in eight, and can go home like a normal person and enjoy a little more of life. But this is merely a shift, and not a true gain! My point is, even with word processing etc, the gain in productivity is not turned to more tasks, but more breathers! Overall monthly output remains only fractionally improved.

The Economist ran an article showing the electrification of industry took 20 years to show true fruition. We have had true workplace gains with computers, but it has definitely leveled off in the 90's IMHO.



To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (5160)6/6/2000 6:43:00 PM
From: George Gilder  Read Replies (11) | Respond to of 5676
 
Productivity in fact is hugely understated in the data. Obviously GDP should be measured in real values rather than in dollars (your delusory standard of value). The value of a computer--an exemplary product similar to thousands of other innovations--has increased millions of times over the last decade because it is no longer restricted to typing a Word Document (your obsolete example). The PC is capable of publishing the document to millions of people simultaneously on the net; and it is capable of reaching a billion web pages comprising hundreds of terabytes of information across the net rather than merely a few megabytes of contents in a local hard drive. It taps into optical networks that are increasing their collective bandwidth by a factor of billions and moving that bandwidth ever closer to end users. Unmeasured in productivity data that ignores new products, the creativity unleashed by the net is best revealed by the efflorescence of scores of thousands of amazing new technology companies and the enrichment of stock market values in the face of a hostile Federal Reserve that does not comprehend the new economy any more than you do.

--GG



To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (5160)6/6/2000 6:55:00 PM
From: Skeeter Bug  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5676
 
hb, i think people confuse micro productivity with macro productivity. gdp and gdp growth are macro numbers. if "da boss" buys a computer and displaces 3 workers w/o increasing his revenues then he increased micro productivity and it shows on his bottom line.

macro productivity, however, didn't budge. from the macro view, peter was robbed to pay paul. if gdp was measured by "da boss'" revs then gdp would not have grown and macro productivity w/b flat. micro and macro productivity gains are DIFFERENT.

i think that folks who don't think this through focus on intuitive productivity increase - which are micro. they then make the mistake of manipulating macro numbers to match their micro paradigm.



To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (5160)6/6/2000 7:21:00 PM
From: cardcounter  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5676
 
Heinz is right, productivity is overstated due to hedonic pricing.. the following excerpt from Grant's makes a compelling case to this end.

One important method used in the
U.S. to compare products across time
periods is hedonic price indexing. The
idea of hedonic price indexing is this:
instead of putting a price on a particular
product, put a price on each of the products
characteristics. The prices of product
characteristics are estimated by
looking at a range of products with different
characteristics. For example, in
the case of computers, there might be a
?price of processor speed? (in dollars per
megahertz), a price of the IBM brand
name, and so on. These hedonic
prices can then be used to generate a
theoretical price for any product
whose characteristics are known.
Government statisticians generate theoretical
prices for this year's products
using last year's hedonic prices, and
they compare these theoretical prices
with the actual prices observed this
year.

Currently, it is used with housing, semiconductors,
cell phones, digital switches, import
and export items, and, most notably,
computer hardware and software.
These last two categories are particularly
important because they have
come to represent the most important
factor in the growth of investment,
which is the most volatile component
of gross domestic product.

?Today, for example, the cost incre-ment
between a system with a 600
MHz Pentium III and an identical sys-tem
with a 700 MHz Pentium III can be
as little as $70 (70 cents per MHz). Yet
the cost increment from 733 MHz to
800 MHz can be as much as $200 ($3
per MHz). And it can cost nearly $800
($6 per MHz) to go from 866 MHz to 1
gigahertz (1,000 MHz). The recent
introduction of the 1GHz chip is push-ing
down prices near the high end, but
people who get along fine with 600
MHz?people who use computers for
business rather than rocket science?
won?t see much price benefit. Typical
hedonic models really do give a single
price for processor speed in dollars per
MHz, and when they price processor
speed, they price the marketing man-ager?s
computer along with that of the
rocket scientist.

?In this situation, a hedonic regres-sion
will estimate the ?hedonic price of
processor speed? as some kind of com-promise
between the $6 high end and
the 70 cents (or less) low end. Let?s say
$3. When this figure is applied across
the board to produce theoretical prices,
the theoretical price for the high-end or
low-end machine will tend to underes-timate
the actual price, whereas the the-oretical
price for a mid-range machine
will tend to overestimate the actual
First, while the validity of the tech-nique
depends on having the right set
of hedonic pricing characteristics, the
choice of characteristics is essentially a
subjective one. Second, the technique
is not well suited to discontinuous
technological change: It relies on the
premises that this year?s goods and last
year?s goods can be described in terms
of the same characteristics and that the
characteristics mean the same thing
this year as they did last year. In a
world of dramatic innovation, rapid
obsolescence and compatibility con-straints,
the applicability of the hedo-nic
price concept is dubious. Finally,
hedonic pricing depends on specifying
in a simple mathematical form the way
each characteristic should affect the
price. That may be easy when the char-acteristic
is something, like computer
memory, that can be added or removed
from a product, and might simply cost
a certain number of dollars per
megabyte. But when the characteristic
is something abstract, like processor
speed, a simple mathematical relation-ship
is likely to be misleading.
?To see how hedonic pricing can lead
to distortions, consider the way in which
the rise in processor speed occurs. Chip-makers
are constantly introducing new
processors that are marginally faster
than the fastest previously available.
The cost increment for the newest,
fastest processor over the previous
model is generally substantial, and the
price of the old best falls when a new
price. The theoretical price of a 1GHz
machine selling at $2,700 might be
more like $2,550, but the theoretical
price of a 733 MHz machine selling at
$1,600 might be more like $1,750.
?Now what will happen if Intel
introduces a new Pentium III that runs
at 1.1 GHz (1,100 MHz)? The cost of a
1 GHz computer will fall by several
hundred dollars?but most people
won?t care. The cost of a 600 MHz com-puter
will change little. The cost of a
733 MHz computer will fall by maybe
$70, a small change in dollar terms, but
enough to make it economical for main-stream
purchasers, since they can now
get more power (compared to, say, a
a negligible cost
increment. So, when the government
collects its data, it will find many peo-ple
buying computers around the 733
MHz range. And let?s say they pay
around $1,530 for the machine that
used to cost $1,600. It used to cost
$1,600, but its theoretical price was
$1,750, so the $70 price drop looks like
a $220 price drop. This will be partly
offset by the reverse effect at the high
end?1GHz computers whose theoret-ical
price was understated?but since
that?s a smaller market, the aggregate
effect will be smaller. And as for the old
low-end computers, which also had
understated theoretical prices, they
won?t be selling any more. The net
effect is that it looks like computer
prices in general have fallen signifi-cantly,
when in fact the only large drops
have been at the high end.
?So what effect does this scenario
have on the statistics? For one thing,
obviously, inflation will be understated,
because the government averages a lot
of huge price drops for computers that
really only had small price drops. The
other side of the coin is that growth will
be overstated. The new year?s economy
produces lots of 733 MHz computers,
which, in terms of last year?s theoretical
prices, are replacing (on the production
line, that is), old, low-end computers
that had been undervalued. Therefore,
real output growth, and anything
derived from it, is overstated.
Productivity appears to be growing
quickly, and anything ?real? in the
national accounts?real GDP growth,
real profit growth, real consumption
growth, etc.?is actually less real than
you might think.

?Another point worth noting in con-nection
with this example is that the
(hypothetical) new 1.1 GHz computers
will also appear to have experienced a
price drop and to be reflecting a pro-ductivity
increase, even though, really,
their price could not have dropped,
since they didn?t even exist before. In
this example, it?s true, the ?apparent
price drop? for the 1.1 GHz computer
would be understated relative to a
?perfectly fit? hedonic model. But the
fact remains, as far as the 1.1 GHz
machine is concerned, there was no
actual price drop, and there was no
increase in productivity for any actual
product: simply, a new product was
introduced. Philosophically, it?s hard
to regard this as a real increase in pro-ductivity
(unless, of course, someone
can show that these new computers
make the rest of the economy more
productive). Otherwise, wouldn?t we
have to regard every new invention as
an increase in productivity?



To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (5160)6/7/2000 5:19:00 AM
From: Arik T.G.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5676
 
Post of the month!
Looks like the stock market is the last to understand that the economic cycle is over the peak. USD already getting the idea, and PoG concurs.

Re : PoG
In recent years the financial (monetary) flows of money in the international currency markets had drowned the ecomomic (fiscal) flows. There is simply too much money going around (the coming depression will take care of that), and in the minimal friction environment of currency exchage the major currency rates went to economic extremes (Euro at 90c a recent example, yen and gold showed the more pronounced LT skew).
When money starts sloshing around from one currency to another looking for a safe haven, and when it will start considering Gold as an option, even in the name of diversification alone, the gold market will be way too narrow for the bulk involved (unlike currencies it is still based upon a limited resource) and I suspect that in the wake of the MC the PoG will see giant leaps. Paraphrasing the words of Neal Armstrong : One small step for international money flows, many giant leaps for the price of gold.

ATG



To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (5160)6/7/2000 10:59:00 AM
From: WTSherman  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 5676
 
<the fallacy of hedonic pricing is of course easily exposed by common sense: let us assume you are now using a processor that is twice as fast as its predecessor and are typing a letter in MS word. <

Heinz, I find this discussion very interesting and thought provoking. Like many others I cringe every time I hear the phrase "new economy"(fortunately, its now not as often as a few months ago) and I also see the "bubble" that you and others do.

However, I'm not so sure that demonizing hedonic pricing is fully deserved. In your excellent post you write about "real" economic output, versus what I will call "imagined" output. You seem to be saying that the value of output should be determined by the use that the goods are put to, not their theortical capabilities. The PC is the most egregious example of "imaginged" value. Of course, it should be noted that when it comes to PC's, there are servers and desktops and the increases in processing power, storage capability, storage access times, etc., do have direct and very real productivity gains in the case of servers.

But, in a bigger sense I have problem simply bashing hedonic pricing, because I don't see a clear alternative. Let me give you an example:

Let's look at automobiles. In 1992 the average price of a U.S. manufactured vehicle was about $18K. Today its nearly $25K(these are not precise figures). The bulk of the difference is that there are hugely more SUV's and expensive light trucks sold today than in '92. The cost to manufacture these monsters is not very much greater than the cost to manufacture a standard car(about $1000-$1500), so the difference is simply in margin to the auto company's, dealers, etc.

Now, how should we measure this type of economic activity? On the surface, it would appear that there is a great deal of productivity improvement, no? Much more revenue per hour of labor and per unit cost of material. But, if I follow your argument, since these vehicles are basically used for the same purpose that cars are(they carry people to work and around town, but, 90% have never been used in 4x4 mode or used offroad) we shouldn't consider the increase in revenues from these vehicles to be a real increase in "output", should we?

Of course, you may say that since people are willing to pay more for these things it is a real increase, even though their utilization is unchanged from the old model. But, then this becomes a "price" argument. More powerful and capable PC's shouldn't be treated any differently than older, slower ones because the price didn't change, but, more powerful and capable cars should be because the price did change?

I'm not sure if I'm making my point clearly here... What I'm trying to say is that simply bashing hedonic pricing because it assumes value based upon capabilities that may or may not be "real" can be extended to all kinds of things. I could have used housing instead of cars(above) and made a similar case...

Your thoughts?

WTS



To: pater tenebrarum who wrote (5160)6/8/2000 6:22:00 AM
From: Don Lloyd  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5676
 
hb -

[...the fallacy of hedonic pricing is of course easily exposed by common sense: let us assume you are now using a processor that is twice as fast as its predecessor and are typing a letter in MS word. has your productivity doubled? according to the government it has.
imo, if productivity and GDP growth are really influenced in a major way by an increase in computing power, it should be possible to measure this in REAL dollars...after all, if the increase in computing power enhances performance to the extent the government assumes with its hedonic pricing calculations, shouldn't this show up in real economic output? if it doesn't, the improvement can not possibly have occurred.
the problem this creates is that both the Fed and businessmen are effectively basing their decisions on fantasy data. this has led to a far too lax monetary policy over recent years, and enormous malinvestments in its wake...]

Great post, but you don't go far enough. All economic data is 'fantasy data'.

Every free economy is merely an agglomeration of all the individual choices made by individuals, in their role as both consumers and producers. Statistical measurements of this are limited to the observations that can made of the money prices that mark the exchange of money for goods and services. But any results are inherently rendered largely meaningless by the fact that no such thing as objective valuation exists.

The fundamental basis of economics, and Austrian economics in particular, lies with the combination of the subjective theory of value and the law of diminishing marginal utility. Without trying to detail the theories, the results are both clear and understandable.

No two individuals would place the same money-equivalent valuation on a television set for a number of reasons.

First is just a matter of individual preference for televisions over all the other goods and services that would be have to be precluded from acquisition if the available funds are spent on televisions.

Secondly, the willingness of an individual to pay a given money price for a television depends in part on both the amount of money he has available and on how many televisions he already owns. The more he has of either money or televisions, the lower its subjective marginal utility, and the results not only vary from individual to individual, but also vary minute to minute for a given individual. The illusion that a given television will tend to a fairly narrow range of money prices is not an indication of an objective value, but rather a combination of cost competition among suppliers and the great difficulty in enforcing price discrimination among the wide variation of consumer subjective valuations.

Trying to derive meaning from even a perfect record of all the money exchanges made in an economy is no more inherently valid than associating patterns of animal shapes with distinctive clouds or the relative positions of stars as viewed from a given point in space.

Jumping to the overall economy and its measurement, imagine an economy where every product and service had the unit productivity growth characteristics of computers and semiconductors. Every year, every product and service could be purchased for the wages earned by 20% less hours of work than the year before. There is no doubt that this would be an economy characterized by a rapidly increasing real standard of living.

However, I also would expect that any attempt to measure GDP growth would likely result in a negative number, and that the revenue and profit growth of individual companies also could well be negative.

Thus, we have an amazingly successful economy, but one which may not be able to generate financial profits and returns for its investors. Profits, inherently tied to economic measurements, are not only not necessarily tied to real economic progress, but may also disappear due to competition.

Summary -

There are strong reasons to believe that real economic progress does not necessarily lead to strong financial results for either companies or investors. In the end, investors may have to take their gains largely from the increased purchasing power of their (possibly diminishing) capital.

Regards, Don