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15533I twice considered buying it but I never did. I just bought other stocks thaTimF-6/25/2002
15532<i> Yeah, I know that the death penalty used to be applied to what would nTimF-6/25/2002
15531It's so simplistic dismiss the dp as "sick" that it's a uselesE-6/25/2002
15530<i>But then that doesn't really invalidate your point it could just beLane3-6/25/2002
15529<i>So everybody gets a second shot at wrecking society? </i> No, onLane3-6/25/2002
15528<I> You </i> (neo) <i> are into the cosmic morality paradigm aTimF-6/25/2002
15527<i> But having simple theft be nothing in one case and in another with simLane3-6/25/2002
15526OK. But this is still a problem: <i>Single offenders are penalized by loLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15525You are ignoring the fact that this great latitude in sentencing was taking awayLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15524<i>allow murderers to walk free if their "panel" so decides. <Lane3-6/25/2002
15523If its not a problem to do things that way they should have done them that way fTimF-6/25/2002
15522I hope nobody owned any WCOM: Message 17652443Lazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15521<i>evidence that would give away vital inteligence sources or techniques iLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15520<i> I don't think he should be released either. </i> I think TimF-6/25/2002
15519We shall have to initiate a Rambi search again. She's been missing since thLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15518Much of one's attitude about such things is a function of confidence and truLane3-6/25/2002
15517Laz, in all these systems we have two choices. We can treat everyone the same aLane3-6/25/2002
15516Isn't the system you propose rather similar to the position of the POTUS visLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15515<i> Guessing about what other people are likely to do is a fool's erraLane3-6/25/2002
15514Great! So we'll set up a system where some group of your "friends and Lazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15513<i>What safe gaurds would you build against premature releases?</i> Lane3-6/25/2002
15512<i>We would learn how to determine when people should be allowed back intoLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15511<i>Huh?</i> Message 17651232Lane3-6/25/2002
15510Huh?Lazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15509<i>"But I think it is better that she stay there until the officials one_less-6/25/2002
15508<i>That's what worries me. </i> I understand that. But arbitraLane3-6/25/2002
15507Spoken like a union shop steward... <g>Lane3-6/25/2002
15506<I>So far, I can see no reason to throw out baby or bathwater. Maybe tomorLane3-6/25/2002
15505<i>We were talking, I thought, about the difference between a regular systLane3-6/25/2002
15504<i>there's some thought going into determining when she goes back intoLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15503Oh. OK. :-) Then we'll just Dr. Frankenstein, bring the victim back to lLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15502The great variability and unfairness of the results of the sort of system you deLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15501<i>Psychological evaluations are notoriously unreliable. </i> I knowLane3-6/25/2002
15500<i>"But let's deal with the case I had in mind: the battered wifeaverage joe-6/25/2002
15499<i>"I submit that that's only because you didn't grow up withaverage joe-6/25/2002
15498So far, I can see no reason to throw out baby or bathwater. Maybe tomorrow. I shNeocon-6/25/2002
15497We were talking, I thought, about the difference between a regular system and onNeocon-6/25/2002
15496<i>Otherwise she stays in the facility being evaluated and rehabilitated Lazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15495EDITLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15494<i>If your beef is with the economics of the situation</i> My beef Lane3-6/25/2002
15493<i>I can see no advantage</i> None? Not even a little one? What aLane3-6/25/2002
15492If your beef is with the economics of the situation, fine, make convicts productNeocon-6/25/2002
15491<i>And when it is determined that, for most criminals, there are no physicLane3-6/25/2002
15490<i>And when it is determined that, for most criminals, there are no physicLane3-6/25/2002
15489<i>Now what's the punishment under your scheme? </i> There is nLane3-6/25/2002
15488We're in trouble.Lazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15487You miss something here: MOST CRIMINALS ARE NOT KNOWN TO MOST PEOPLE. Most areLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15486<i> What is wrong with that?</i> There's no reason why isolatioLane3-6/25/2002
15485I can see no advantage, unless I had greater faith in the probity of the personsNeocon-6/25/2002
15484And when it is determined that, for most criminals, there are no physical causesLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15483<i>Because you can't guarantee any of that?</i> I can't guaLane3-6/25/2002
15482<i>Now, what happens if rough equality of sentencing flies out the window,Lane3-6/25/2002
15481And she says "PISS ON THIS!", boards a flight to Brazil, and that'Lazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15480<i>You assume there are physical causes of criminality. </i> I don&Lane3-6/25/2002
15479All she has to do is move, and all of that stigma disappears. Let her go to a shNeocon-6/25/2002
15478<i>There is a deterrent effect to be achieved. Not on her. On the next angLane3-6/25/2002
15477<i>Why does the price have to include removal from society for a spell? WhLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15476True, technical fairness is not necessarily fair. But look at some of the nonsenNeocon-6/25/2002
15475You assume there <i>are</i> physical causes of criminality. This heLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15474How does the victim participate if the victim is dead? And what reparations doeLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15473<i>But we cannot let her off the hook too easily about what she did.</iLane3-6/25/2002
15472<i>We cannot afford a system of justice that can be accused of being too aLane3-6/25/2002
15471<b>?????????????????</b> Oh, come now, Karen. You're talking &Lazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15470The point is that it doesn't matter if she is a danger to anyone. Yes, we maNeocon-6/25/2002
15469You can run her out of your bridge club if you want. Some other bridge club migLane3-6/25/2002
15468<i>Yes. I suppose a healthy young male or female could have their time redLane3-6/25/2002
15467We cannot afford a system of justice that can be accused of being too arbitrary.Neocon-6/25/2002
15466<i>You wait until their bodies are worn out and useless?</i> It doeLane3-6/25/2002
15465<i>Or the ban on cruel and unusual punishment goes.</i> My scheme hLane3-6/25/2002
15464Yes, murder is reason to run her out of the bridge club, regardless of whether oNeocon-6/25/2002
15463<i>But how do you assure that? </i> You can't, of course. OTOHLane3-6/25/2002
15462<i>"I was not force feeding him selenium. I was putting it in milk alaverage joe-6/25/2002
15461Or years ahead, anyway. A "pacifist male" is a contradiction in termsLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15460LOL. That cartoon is right on target. The bureaucrats will be so consumed abouLane3-6/25/2002
15459And whatever efficiency they now have will be erased by the constant turmoil ofLane3-6/25/2002
15458Your namesake was light years ahead of Niven. geocities.comaverage joe-6/25/2002
15457<i>You can't force feed him selenium </i> I was not force feediLane3-6/25/2002
15456What? You wait until their bodies are worn out and useless? What's the poiLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15455<i> I see no reason to accommodate the blood lust of some elements of sociLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15454<i>Single offenders are penalized by loss of reputation and general socialLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15453<i>That's EXACTLY what happens in his Known Space series.</i> NLane3-6/25/2002
15452The Week in Review had an article on said department, nytimes.com , which contaWin Smith-6/25/2002
15451I think the squirreliest part is that it can function at all as designed. Tee bLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15450<i>That would be in the boilerplate.</i> The criminal is a human beaverage joe-6/25/2002
15449But that is why I construe punishment within a framework of penance. The idea isNeocon-6/25/2002
15448LOL!!! HAVE YOU BEEN READING NIVEN??? That's EXACTLY what happens in his Lazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15447I am reading all of your relevant posts. Good start and kudos for being on the rone_less-6/25/2002
15446Sleep eating's dangerous By Steve Infanti SCRIPPS HOWARD NEWS SERVICE Q: Lane3-6/25/2002
15445I agree with every word of that post. Yet, even when we are on the same page I fone_less-6/25/2002
15444Sorry, just confirming, since you "did not know how you knew". Poorly Neocon-6/25/2002
15443Yes. That's what I said: she isn't alive and he is.Constant Reader-6/25/2002
15442<i>ditto...</i> Well, you two may not be persuading each other, butLane3-6/25/2002
15441<i>In this instance, where you have found it "content-free"--it Lazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15440OTOH, all that equipment, time, thought, money and study could go into finding cLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15439There are lots of apparently squirrelly elements of this proposed new departmentLane3-6/25/2002
15438No it isn't. The executee doesn't get a weapon. A stupid comment deserLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15437<i>According to the article, the administration's proposed legislationLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15436It is very simple. We teach how to regard acts by our responses. Through punishmNeocon-6/25/2002
15435<i>"I am sorry if it not persuasive to you."</i> ditto...one_less-6/25/2002
15434That is where we break down in agreement. To say that there are a variety of conNeocon-6/25/2002
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