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15433<i>"I think it is an old ideal......"</i> OK well whatevone_less-6/25/2002
15432<i> I'm sure there is a study somewhere about selenium deficiency in bLane3-6/25/2002
15431LOLOL! (One of my favorites)........Neocon-6/25/2002
15430I do not think it is a new paradigm. I think it is an old ideal......Neocon-6/25/2002
15429This is very wise, Euthyphro...<g>Solon-6/25/2002
15428Very good in all aspects except this line including the phrase "retributiveone_less-6/25/2002
15427<i>"There are lots of ways to study criminals without observing crimiaverage joe-6/25/2002
15426Glad to find eventual agreement.Neocon-6/25/2002
15425<i>"As long as it is MY right and wrong, and in contention with someoSolon-6/25/2002
15424There have been a number of TV documentaries on this sort of thing in Zimbabwe aLazarus_Long-6/25/2002
15423Very nice, if mistaken. The point about the Nazis, as well as the Communists, waNeocon-6/25/2002
15422<i>"Actually, though, you are quite wrong about Nazis. They were relaSolon-6/25/2002
15421I found this snippet in Howard Kurtz's column in today's Post. <<Lane3-6/25/2002
15420<i> I simply mentioned en passant what God has to say </i> How very Dayuhan-6/25/2002
15419The DP as practiced in the U.S. is akin to the gladatorial executions of ancientTigerPaw-6/25/2002
15418<i>Let's back up:</i> It's not backing up when you are changTigerPaw-6/25/2002
15417<i>My only concern is that a victim should be satisfied. </i> That&#Lane3-6/25/2002
15416OK. First draft. All comments welcome. "Sentencing" Guidelines for Lane3-6/25/2002
15415Zimbabwe Whites Told It Is Against Law To Farm Land From Jan Raath in Harare TE-6/25/2002
15414The links are broken, but they were just jumps to the text which was below it; tjttmab-6/25/2002
15413If you want to accuse me of doing an injustice to relativists, fine. All the resNeocon-6/25/2002
15412<i>"You would find satisfaction in the punishment and I wouldn't.average joe-6/25/2002
15411<i>"I said absolutely nothing about the spirits of mists and cloud, bSolon-6/25/2002
15410If you ever showed the slightest interest in attending to me, instead of shadow Neocon-6/25/2002
15409Our concern is not perfect justice, but the magistrate's responsibility to uNeocon-6/25/2002
15408<i>I think a society is morally decadent when a killer is worth more than Lane3-6/25/2002
15407I hold no objection to your perfect right to indulge a belief in some absolute mSolon-6/25/2002
15406<i>"If we were to have perfect justice it would be a condition in whiaverage joe-6/25/2002
15405<i>"I see no point in abandoning the standard of justice because it ione_less-6/25/2002
15404I think a society is morally decadent when a killer is worth more than the crimeaverage joe-6/24/2002
15403<i>In 1612, Virginia's governor, Sir Thomas Dale, implemented the DiviLazarus_Long-6/24/2002
15402<i>You don't get a DP if you commit a crime JUST for monetary gain andaverage joe-6/24/2002
15401You don't get a DP if you commit a crime JUST for monetary gain and that'Lazarus_Long-6/24/2002
15400<i>Wars, especially successful wars cause decision makers to think of war Lazarus_Long-6/24/2002
15399You are out of your bloody mind. You really are insane.Lazarus_Long-6/24/2002
15398The contents behind that link seems to have disappeared. The first page comes uLazarus_Long-6/24/2002
15397Pure biased ignorant guesswork. Why am I not surprised?Lazarus_Long-6/24/2002
15396<<I think that the death penaly is closer to ritual cannibalism than to eiIsh-6/24/2002
15395See you later, all......Neocon-6/24/2002
15394I see no point in abandoning the standard of justice because it is imperfectly aNeocon-6/24/2002
15393Well, you actually have the difference in front of you, in the reference to extrNeocon-6/24/2002
15392<i>"I want an open, aboveboard process where there is generalized agrone_less-6/24/2002
15391<i>I especially agree with your re-location of "punishment."<Lane3-6/24/2002
15390I've spent more than the usual time with the dictionary today making sure I Lane3-6/24/2002
15389I do not want to speculate on how people will experience things as individuals aNeocon-6/24/2002
15388<i>"Your "subjectivities" are worse the more complicated thone_less-6/24/2002
15387We have eliminated the possibility of calibrating punishment that finely, or somNeocon-6/24/2002
15386<i>"Retribution is "just desserts"......</i> If you one_less-6/24/2002
15385We seek to make a reasonable table of punishments to show the relative weight ofNeocon-6/24/2002
15384I do not equate retribution with vengeance. Vengeance is venting anger, without Neocon-6/24/2002
15383Nice start. I especially agree with your re-location of "punishment."one_less-6/24/2002
15382That is a point of view, of course. If there is an objective moral order, one cNeocon-6/24/2002
15381Just an illustration but you are welcome anyway. Let me try another approach. one_less-6/24/2002
15380I doubt it, but thanks for the story.....Neocon-6/24/2002
15379Yep. The culture shapes the people. A culture of responsibility must include thNeocon-6/24/2002
15378<i>"Restoring the moral balance of the universe, at a minimum, means one_less-6/24/2002
15377<i>"You assume that one is harming the guilty in pursuing his penanceSolon-6/24/2002
15376<i>"Penance is essential. But penance requires both that one expiate one_less-6/24/2002
15375<i>I am in upholding the idea that the primary purpose of sanctions is to Lane3-6/24/2002
15374Actually, I hadn't been talking about the death penalty, myself, although I Neocon-6/24/2002
15373<i>"We don't even know with any certainty that there is a balanceone_less-6/24/2002
15372<i>a society that is well- ordered</i> I think that the death penalyTigerPaw-6/24/2002
15371Actually, Tandy died in 1994: Jessica Tandy Biography Versatile, commanding Neocon-6/24/2002
15370I'd say that is pretty good.Neocon-6/24/2002
15369Various notions are interconnected. We cannot live in a society where there is nNeocon-6/24/2002
15368OK, I'm not going to come up with a replacement for our system of justice inLane3-6/24/2002
15367You assume that one is harming the guilty in pursuing his penance. I would say tNeocon-6/24/2002
15366<i>You are being unusually dogmatic today.</i> Sorry, don't meaLane3-6/24/2002
15365<i>"Justice demands retribution as a way to restore the moral balanceSolon-6/24/2002
15364Offending our sense of justice may be like offending our sense of symmetry, whicNeocon-6/24/2002
15363<i>I simply mentioned en passant what God has to say. I'm sorry if I oLane3-6/24/2002
15362<i>"We're talking about two different things. You are talking aboaverage joe-6/24/2002
15361<i>We do not do these things precisely because they offend our sense of juLane3-6/24/2002
15360If our goal is deterrence, or detention, each of which may protect against crimeNeocon-6/24/2002
15359<i>Perhaps but that is up to God and nowhere in the ten commandments does Lane3-6/24/2002
15358<i>"I think"</i> [therefore you are] <i>"I haveaverage joe-6/24/2002
15357The actual actual reasons for death penalty seem closer to property crime and puTigerPaw-6/24/2002
15356<i>When someone is tried, he is being made accountable. When convicted, hLane3-6/24/2002
15355Simple restitution will not suffice, because it does not make a gesture to coverNeocon-6/24/2002
15354Better than a null set......Neocon-6/24/2002
15353So the penalty is about reparations?Lane3-6/24/2002
15352>>People in grief and anger will do many things that are not really a goodBill Grant-6/24/2002
15351I will look into putting a straw man together for your consideration.Lane3-6/24/2002
15350Morality entails taking and/or assigning responsibility. If someone is responsibNeocon-6/24/2002
15349<i>And you base this on what? </i> It's just a guess based on ATigerPaw-6/24/2002
15348I was raised staunch catholic by my grandmother, who was truly the matriarch of Rainy_Day_Woman-6/24/2002
15347<i>"I'll bet we all have 'interesting' family background Solon-6/24/2002
15346<i>insane and noble. </i> Sick is a much more apt description. I reTigerPaw-6/24/2002
15345<i>because one cannot be allowed to get away with it......... </i> Lane3-6/24/2002
15344<i>making war less legitimate</i> I meant <b>less</b> leTigerPaw-6/24/2002
15343You take a utilitarian view of justice. Okay. I do not think it comprehends whatNeocon-6/24/2002
15342<i>"The CLEAR implications of your statement is that Canadian businesSolon-6/24/2002
15341hi Charleymane, Nice to see you. And I'm enjoying those words of hope from Poet-6/24/2002
15340The state is not trying to "uphold the sanctity of life", as if every Neocon-6/24/2002
15339Give me an example, or sketch out a new paradigm, and I might be intrigued.Neocon-6/24/2002
15338<i>And they have to be interesting and original. </i> You're grLane3-6/24/2002
15337<i>. I find particularly bewildering the cases where a prisoner is driven E-6/24/2002
15336And they have to be interesting and original. Not too many like that.Tom Clarke-6/24/2002
15335I tuned into Reliable Sources late but I caught that part about the liberal resuLane3-6/24/2002
15334That article came up on Kurtz' TV show on Saturday. I didn't watch it, bTom Clarke-6/24/2002
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